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WIll growing religiosity in the world by 2050 hurt science and space development?

Um.. lets take the punctuation and spelling a bit less serious. .some of the people on here are not native english speakers, or those who suck at spelling etc. ( Me absolutely included.. blame the Louisiana education system.. and laziness..)

I kinda wish some scientists were more.. religious? as in, they wouldn't think of Themselves as a "God" in doing things.. and think.. Is this right, should I be mixing .. cat and human dna.. for example, should i mess with human Dna and bring it to term with barely any testing? Have some scientists step back and go.. wait.. should i do this? is this right?

Now for the fun part.. I believe ( my opinion, just stating, not trying to sway anybody..) that Atheism IS a religion of sorts.. Nothing to do with Stateist, politics etc. Religion is a Belief system, Belief in god,or Shiva, or Cthulhu .. Atheist Believe that there is nothing after.. and just like any other religion, it is there opinion of what is going on. What I hate is the proselytizing. I believe, thats me, if you don't, thats fine to.. Everybody has there own life and is free to live it the way they want to.
Not saying its right, or wrong or other.. just expressing my opinion. If you agree, okay, if not, equally okay.
 
If you like Wikipedia:

Wikipedia said:
Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
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Everyone is free to have their own headcanon of course. No one can get into your head to reprogram it. Freedom!
 
Ocanain said:
It’s not garbage. Here’s the simplified version: A majority of athiests vote left which represents higher state control. The state itself is based on faith. Leaders have no authority but the belief of others (God), they have their temples (parliament), they have their ethics (laws), they have their dogma (social construct) etc. All of these things are not based objectively but in the sheer belief of them. It’s a statist pseudo religion. There no element of religion that is not present in statist athiesm and only a minority of athiests do not conform so it’s fair to say approximately 20% of athiests can declare not to be pseudo religious but not athiesm itself.
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The state itself is not based on faith. State institutions exist and have verifiable effects in the world. The effects are objective and even broadly predictable, for instance electing a left-majority parliament will have a set of foreseeable implications that differ from electing a right parliament. This does not depend on personal belief (or left/right political position, for that matter). Leaders derive their authority from the governing institutions in which they operate. Though "faith" is a commonly-used term in this context, it is categorically different from faith in supernatural forces. People may express personal faith in a leader or not, but it will make no difference in the leader's authority until that authority is acted upon by some other mechanism (election, military coup, death etc). This is simply not comparable to faith in a god.

Finding elements of religion that are analogous to elements of something else is commonly and easily done. It can be applied to Star Trek fans, for instance, and has been. That does not change the conventional definition of what a religion is, though.

Also not supported is the assertion that left-voting atheists are adherents of a religion and right-voting atheists are not. The logic is circular: Left-voting atheists worship the state, because state-worshiping atheists vote left. Where is the evidence? It seems way too monolithic, as well. If an atheist votes right in one election and left the next, have they suddenly become worshipers of the state? What about split-ticket voters? What about atheists who do not vote? Where does the 20% figure come from?

valkyrie013 said:
I believe ( my opinion, just stating, not trying to sway anybody..) that Atheism IS a religion of sorts.. Nothing to do with Stateist, politics etc. Religion is a Belief system, Belief in god,or Shiva, or Cthulhu .. Atheist Believe that there is nothing after.. and just like any other religion, it is there opinion of what is going on.
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"Religion" is usually defined as belief and/or worship of a god, gods or supernatural forces. What is being termed "belief" here is actually a lack of belief. An atheist who expresses a lack of belief in a god or an afterlife can base that position on the lack of evidence. That is fundamentally different from asserting the truth or existence of something for which there is no evidence.
 
@J.T.B.
Yes in some definitions, usually the first bit, its the belief in a supernatural power etc. but if you look in most sites, number 2, or 3 etc. definition is
Religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith or a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

There's no "Lack" of belief .. Atheist Believe that there is no afterlife, god etc. etc. That is a belief.

As for evidence. Thats to the individual person to figure out. You may have seen no evidence of a higher being, etc. While I may have seen evidence that makes me believe in something higher and its neither right or wrong, just .. the individual and a matter of personal opinion.
Anyways, just stating my opinion, you are free to rubbish it or not.. matters not to me.
 
Nyotarules said:
As someone who holds to Christian beliefs I see no contradiction between religion and science, the struggle between the two camps is mainly who wants to be in control of society. The fundies be they 'Christian' or 'Islamic' are panicking cos they see society changing all around them and they fear the lack of control. I find it ironic in the Western world the only nation that does not have an official religion has higher church attendance than here in Western Europe and we have state churches (or used to).
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Is it always about lack of control? Or how people treat each other? Or a combination of both?
 
valkyrie013 said:
Um.. lets take the punctuation and spelling a bit less serious. .some of the people on here are not native english speakers, or those who suck at spelling etc. ( Me absolutely included.. blame the Louisiana education system.. and laziness..)
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I only brought it up because if someone is intent on saying derogatory things about a demographic to which I belong, they could at least have the courtesy to spell it correctly. One mistake can just be a mistake; I know there are words I tend to misspell. But to double down on it after being corrected is just willful disrespect.

I kinda wish some scientists were more.. religious? as in, they wouldn't think of Themselves as a "God" in doing things.. and think.. Is this right, should I be mixing .. cat and human dna.. for example, should i mess with human Dna and bring it to term with barely any testing? Have some scientists step back and go.. wait.. should i do this? is this right?
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The word I would think appropriate is "ethical". Is it ethical to manipulate DNA in the ways you've described? I don't think so. It certainly didn't do any favors for the characters in The Island of Dr. Moreau, and I can't think of any ethical reason to do it in RL.

Now for the fun part.. I believe ( my opinion, just stating, not trying to sway anybody..) that Atheism IS a religion of sorts.. Nothing to do with Stateist, politics etc. Religion is a Belief system, Belief in god,or Shiva, or Cthulhu .. Atheist Believe that there is nothing after.. and just like any other religion, it is there opinion of what is going on. What I hate is the proselytizing. I believe, thats me, if you don't, thats fine to.. Everybody has there own life and is free to live it the way they want to.
Not saying its right, or wrong or other.. just expressing my opinion. If you agree, okay, if not, equally okay.
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There's a difference between "Atheists believe" and "Atheists don't believe." It isn't that I believe there isn't an afterlife. It's that I do not believe in an afterlife. The reason is (as appealing as some ghost stories are) that there is no evidence for an afterlife. The only way to get such evidence is to die, and at that point it will be impossible to tell anyone still alive what the situation is.

Asbo Zaprudder said:
I stated atheism was a belief system around these parts a few years ago and got lambasted for it. Careful where you tread.
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Good advice.

rahullak said:
No one can get into your head to reprogram it.
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Cult leaders seem to manage it, though (one example we should all be familiar with is Scientology).

valkyrie013 said:
There's no "Lack" of belief .. Atheist Believe that there is no afterlife, god etc. etc. That is a belief.
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We've just explained why this is incorrect. The courteous thing would be to not double down on 'splaining and trying to impose your own perceptions on us when we've told you those perceptions are not accurate.
 
valkyrie013 said:
Yes in some definitions, usually the first bit, its the belief in a supernatural power etc. but if you look in most sites, number 2, or 3 etc. definition is
Religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith or a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

There's no "Lack" of belief .. Atheist Believe that there is no afterlife, god etc. etc. That is a belief.
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Most people don't believe that fairies get together in the woods and dance in circles under the full moon. Is that a belief system, tantamount to a religion? If you think so, OK, millions of people adhere to a no-dancing-fairy religion. One could apply that to an infinite number of points of non-belief, or, if you prefer, adherence to infinite religions.

valkyrie013 said:
As for evidence. Thats to the individual person to figure out. You may have seen no evidence of a higher being, etc. While I may have seen evidence that makes me believe in something higher and its neither right or wrong, just .. the individual and a matter of personal opinion.
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If it's a matter of opinion, it's not evidence.
 
Well, as an example, Take Bob the Rock.. just a rock.. but Person A believes bob the rock controls the weather, and he worships bob, asks others to worship bob, so now bob is the center of a religion. Just because I don't believe in Bob doesn't equate to Non Belief.. I just don't believe that bob controls the weather.. ( Its really Steve the Sycamore tree.. on the corner of Elm and Pinhearst.. :guffaw:)

Its a mater of Opinion if I believe the Evidence that I have seen/heard/etc. if I believe, another might just write off the evidence I have seen as, well nothing.. doesn't make the evidence.. not evidence.. just your opinion not to believe in it..

anyways.. moving on and back to topic..
In the movie contact, there was a religious nut that blew up the first "Craft" and honestly, there WILL be some religious hubbub after we make first contact with an alien race.
I can't imagine if we find out like When Worlds Collide, that if there was impending doom, and those same religious nuts will try to sabotage any getaway ship, saying. Its God's will etc. etc. BS..
 
valkyrie013 said:
Well, as an example, Take Bob the Rock.. just a rock.. but Person A believes bob the rock controls the weather, and he worships bob, asks others to worship bob, so now bob is the center of a religion. Just because I don't believe in Bob doesn't equate to Non Belief.. I just don't believe that bob controls the weather.. ( Its really Steve the Sycamore tree.. on the corner of Elm and Pinhearst.. :guffaw:)
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As I said, there's a difference between believing something isn't so and not believing that it is so.

You are trying to impose your own interpretation on other people and contradicting what we state about our own beliefs/non-beliefs.

Please stop doing that. It's rude.
 
valkyrie013 said:
There's no "Lack" of belief .. Atheist Believe that there is no afterlife, god etc. etc. That is a belief.
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valkyrie013 said:
Well, as an example, Take Bob the Rock.. just a rock.. but Person A believes bob the rock controls the weather, and he worships bob, asks others to worship bob, so now bob is the center of a religion. Just because I don't believe in Bob doesn't equate to Non Belief.. I just don't believe that bob controls the weather.. ( Its really Steve the Sycamore tree.. on the corner of Elm and Pinhearst.. :guffaw:)

Its a mater of Opinion if I believe the Evidence that I have seen/heard/etc. if I believe, another might just write off the evidence I have seen as, well nothing.. doesn't make the evidence.. not evidence.. just your opinion not to believe in it..
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Perhaps you should look at the difference between positive and negative atheism. You seem to have the understanding that only positive atheism exists. That is false.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism
 
Uh hu, suuure so the Corona virus didn't mutate and change so it now can attack humans, so we don't need to update influenca vaccins every year despite this virus also mutating and changing, we're just doing it for fun...:rolleyes:
 
SpaceKat said:
There has never been evidence of a change of kinds like darwin claimed. Also, they have found blood cells in dinosaur bones which can only last for thousands of years, not millions. https://www.livingwaters.com/movie/evolution-vs-god/
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:guffaw:

You've linked to a website of televangelists peddling DVDs. How about linking to real research by real scientists, on a non-commercial site?

YEC nonsense is not evidence of anything except showing that YECs don't understand how the scientific method works.
 
the Earth was created on Sunday the 21th of October, 4004 B.C., at exactly 9:15 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh. And that the dinosaurs are a joke that paleontologists haven’t discovered yet... :guffaw:
 
valkyrie013 said:
Well, as an example, Take Bob the Rock.. just a rock.. but Person A believes bob the rock controls the weather, and he worships bob, asks others to worship bob, so now bob is the center of a religion. Just because I don't believe in Bob doesn't equate to Non Belief.. I just don't believe that bob controls the weather.. ( Its really Steve the Sycamore tree.. on the corner of Elm and Pinhearst.. :guffaw:)
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That's the same thing I was saying: Just because someone doesn't believe in a creator god does not equate to a separate religion, they just don't believe in that god the same way the person in the example just doesn't believe in the powers of the rock.

valkyrie013 said:
Its a mater of Opinion if I believe the Evidence that I have seen/heard/etc. if I believe, another might just write off the evidence I have seen as, well nothing.. doesn't make the evidence.. not evidence.. just your opinion not to believe in it..
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I've got to say, that's a little disturbing to read in a Science and Technology forum. No, that's not what evidence is. Empirical evidence is observable, quantifiable, verifiable etc. and yields the same results for any observer.

SpaceKat said:
There has never been evidence of a change of kinds like darwin claimed. Also, they have found blood cells in dinosaur bones which can only last for thousands of years, not millions. https://www.livingwaters.com/movie/evolution-vs-god/
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That video is very light on scientific citations of any kind. It comes from Ray Comfort, a Christian minister who used to claim that bananas were proof of divine creation because they were so convenient for humans to eat. Until it was thoroughly demonstrated to him that modern consumer bananas were the result of selective breeding by humans.

Published and reviewed studies have shown evidence that fossilized microscopic soft tissue can survive in the record for tens of millions of years.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5653768/#CR1
 
He sells dvds, doesn't mean you have to buy any. You can just watch the interviews of the students and college professors. It is hard to believe that people are not purposefully misreading what I am saying. A change of kind would be a dog becoming a cat, not a virus mutating. A virus adapting doesn't mean that macro evolution has been proven. Obviously adaption exists, just look at human beings! There are many races, but all are human. We aren't different species, but we aren't all the same. Scientists at first did not believe the woman who said she found blood cells in dinosaur bones, because they know that blood cells can only last for thousands of years. They are still trying to explain how the blood cells being there could be possible. If you're open minded watch the whole video and give me your response after having actually watched it.
 
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