Who was making fun of religious people?
Sometimes superstition shouldn't be allowed to take control of society, or would you rather the human race not evolve and go backwards?
WIll growing religiosity in the world by 2050 hurt science and space development?
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Who was making fun of religious people?
Sometimes superstition shouldn't be allowed to take control of society, or would you rather the human race not evolve and go backwards?
Make sure you aren't holding the rest of us back, then we'll think about not making fun of religion.
In this post, you are clearly stating that religion is the opposite of evolution. What does this mean? This means that you believe that geniuses cannot be religious. They are holding you back. Many brilliant scientists throughout history have been Christians or of another religion. Give evidence that America is being destroyed by religion. Give proof. Then both sides can participate in a serious discussion. I am serious. I am interested in discussing this, but I cannot respond to something as vague or as unsupported as your opinion that religion is causing the human race to go backwards.
Have you not seen the United States for the last forty years, where religious groups fight science at every turn, try to withhold rights from people different than themselves? Religion has earned its scorn.
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It's important to keep some perspective here...
Not ALL religious people are homophobes. Not ALL religious people are against science and reason.
There ARE atheists who are homophobes and unreasonable...
People vary wildly across the spectrum of beliefs and ideas - and morality. Trying to pin all religious people as bad, is...guess what? Bigotry...
Not ALL religious people are homophobes. Not ALL religious people are against science and reason.
There ARE atheists who are homophobes and unreasonable...
People vary wildly across the spectrum of beliefs and ideas - and morality. Trying to pin all religious people as bad, is...guess what? Bigotry...
Knowledge isn't the only way in which societies progress. Ethics is another way. Some organized religions get in the way of ethics, such as blocking terminally ill people from requesting medical assistance to die a more dignified death on their own terms.
Earlier this year, the Legislature in my province was debating a bill to allow doctors and pharmacists to refuse not only to accommodate such requests, but also to refuse to refer the patient to another medical practitioner/pharmacist who would be okay with it. That is unethical, and the debate was interrupted by a veteran committing suicide on the steps of the legislature... because he was in considerable distress, was unable to get the help he needed from the government (he wanted medical assistance in dying (MAiD))... and so he took his own life.
Did the government learn anything from this? Of course not. They're still bleating about "conscience rights" which the doctors and pharmacists already have (the legislation wanted to take it farther).
So is trying to pin all atheists as immoral. Yet that's what some of the cabinet ministers in my provincial government do, along with some really obnoxious parents of Catholic-school kids: "Prayer should be mandatory in all schools, including public, because kids have to learn their morals somewhere."
They seriously think that public schools are immoral places. Both the Minister of Education and the Minister of Advanced Education have gone on record saying this (in the latter case, he used the phrase "immoral, radicalized ideology").
So yeah, I'm not fond of religion interfering with government, education, health care, and the courts.
I never said it was. I simply pointed out that it was possible to be a person of religion and to be a scientist. And ethics? You state that "some religions" get in the way of ethics. Are all religions to be condemned for the one?
Did you see the word "all" in the part of my post you just quoted?
I'm talking about whichever of the organized religions are represented in governments that try to do everything they can to prevent legal medical procedures for people who deem them necessary.
The sheer hypocrisy in the provincial government where I live is mindboggling. The Minister of Education considers public schools to be immoral. Yet she has no problem with taking junior high kids from Catholic schools out of class and bussing them to anti-abortion protests, to wave signs around and chant about how evil it is for women and girls to access legal health care services and have autonomy over their own bodies.
(I really am not looking for this to get sidetracked into an argument about abortion, but this is one of the examples of organized religion interfering in health care, education, and law in an unethical way.)
I never said it's impossible to be both religious and scientific. But you can't discard the results of an experiment if it clashes with religious doctrine, not if you want to be considered a real scientist. Ignoring observations because they clash with doctrine isn't doing science.
I recall that Kepler was mentioned upthread. Yes, he was religious. Yes, he was a scientist. But he made more money as an astrologer than he did as an astronomer.
To this day, anyone can make money off astrology, if they learn the "technobabble" and find enough gullible people to pay them. And that's a shame.
It is possible, but it is a dwindling crowd. You've got millions of Christians all over the US proclaiming Donald Trump as some kind of chosen one. One who embraces demagoguery and constantly turns his back on science and equality.
When you see religions refuse to denounce him for what he is, it spoils the whole bunch.
Chosen one? Chosen of who?
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/coul...he-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/coul...he-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Nice. I applaud him having the courage to stand by his beliefs. There are some like him, unfortunately, there are many more that are happy with the way things are going. They like that someone is taking the scientists and people of color down a notch.
It doesn't change that millions of Americans flood churches, and those churches dare not speak out against Trump, or they risk their collection plates and donations dwindling away.
He practically said "I am the chosen one" if not directly, and yet the evangelical crowd seem more then happy to do a deal with the devil and have him as their messiah. It's disgusting.