ST canon is inconsistent and contradictory.

[uniderth]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, so I'll mention it.

The other franchise is far more unified and integrated. To give one example, Rogue One has a similar feel to Star Wars: A New Hope, in terms of uniforms and fell. Our franchise, however is not, and, to give the most famous example, the Klingons look different, which leads to problems explaining why they look different. And, to give a second example, the Starfleet uniforms are also different.

Sure the Klingon one perhaps. But logically speaking you would expect a interplanetary empire to have different looking members. Not all members of the Federation look like humans. Not all Klingons would look like humans or have bumpy foreheads.

But citing a change in uniforms as an inconsistency is quite frankly ridiculous. that's like saying Star Trek is inconsistent because some crew members wear gold/green, some wear blue, and other wear red. It's not a problem, it's a feature.

Not only that, our stories tend to contradict each other, because, when TOS started, they were literally making it up as they went along. And, after that, they didn't bother to maintain a consistency.[]/quote]

I'm going to have to disagree. I think the stories are remarkably consistent. Yes, its true that occasionally you get irreconcilable inconsistencies, but by and large they are consistent. The contradictions are the exception rather than the rule.

And let's not even talk about the reboot.

Yes. Lets not.

 

[Nyotarules]

But logically speaking you would expect a interplanetary empire to have different looking members.

And you would expect the flagship of Starfleet, the Enterprise to have a diverse crew and captain, why was every captain of the Enterprise, bar one a human male or female?

 

[Spot261]

Same here. Yet it can still be irritating.

You love @Vger23's wife?

 

[BillJ]

You love @Vger23's wife?

 

[BillJ]

And you would expect the flagship of Starfleet, the Enterprise to have a diverse crew and captain, why was every captain of the Enterprise, bar one a human male or female?

Because it is a show being watched by humans?

 

[Nyotarules]

So if season 2 Picard has a Captain Worf of the Enterprise, thousands of the human audience will switch off in droves?

 

[thribs]

That’s why you ignore Discovery.

 

[The Wormhole]

How does jumping out of a window make you money?

It doesn't. But it does make it so you don't really have to worry about your financial woes anymore. From a certain point of view.

And you would expect the flagship of Starfleet, the Enterprise to have a diverse crew and captain, why was every captain of the Enterprise, bar one a human male or female?

Hell, why is every Enterprise captain, bar one, a male? Are we seriously to believe in two hundred years, only one female was good enough to command Starfleet's most prestigious ship? Considering at least two women have made it to the head of Starfleet itself in the 24th century alone, that seems really odd.

 

[uniderth]

And you would expect the flagship of Starfleet, the Enterprise to have a diverse crew and captain, why was every captain of the Enterprise, bar one a human male or female?

Well...only one Enterprise was the flagship. But considering how human centric the Federation is, it's not really surprising.

 

[Trekkie27]

As a matter of fact, it has. And you should know this because you started a thread yourself that led to a similar sort of discussion before. Right here, back in July.

That thread involved the different timelines of ST, as opposed to ST canon being less consistent than SW canon. There is a difference.

 

[Lord Garth]

That thread involved the different timelines of ST, as opposed to ST canon being less consistent than SW canon. There is a difference.

It crossed over into talking about canon a lot in the previous thread, though. Enough so that I'm able to lift a post directly from that thread to give my take. Cutting and pasting....

My four-question system:
1. Is this inherently stupid? If "no", then it counts. If "yes", then continue...
2. Does this go against every other version of Star Trek? If "no", then it counts. If "yes", then continue...
3. Can this be explained away? If "yes", then it counts. If "no", then continue...
4. Is this change the result of an intentional updating? If "yes", then it counts. If "no", then continue...

If the answers are "yes", "yes", "no", and "no" respectively, then I think it shouldn't count.

Some Examples of this system put to the test:
1. Uhura's total memory loss in "The Changeling". --> Yes, Yes, No, No --> Shouldn't count.

2. Women can't be Captains in the TOS Era. --> Yes, Yes, No, No --> Shouldn't count.

3. Warp 10 and higher evolution turns you into a salamander. --> Yes, Yes, No, No --> Shouldn't count. The Enterprise passes Warp 10 according to Geordi in "Where No One Has Gone Before" and Human evolution is projected by Q to lead into Godhood in "Hide & Q". On top of Gary Mitchell's evolution into something more God-like in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

4. Harry Kim needs permission to date aliens. --> Yes, Yes, No, No --> Shouldn't count.

5. Discovery's Spore Drive. --> Yes, Yes, Yes, No --> Still counts. The Spore Drive is wonky but can be explained away in the context of sci-fi and lacks the proper combination of answers to rule it out. To go further moves into spoiler territory.

6. The Morgana Quadrant in TNG. --> No, Yes, Yes, No --> Still counts even though we have to get creative to explain it.

7. The look of the Enterprise in TOS. --> No, No, Yes, No --> Still counts even though it's contradictory to DSC.

8. The look of the Enterprise in DSC. --> No, Yes, No, Yes --> Still counts even though it's contradictory to other series.

9. UESPA --> No, Yes, Yes, No --> Still counts even though it might seem contradictory.

10. The Klingon bridge change between TSFS and TVH. --> No, No, No, No --> Still counts even though it's contradictory.

 

[Trekkie27]

1. Uhura's total memory loss in "The Changeling". --> Yes, Yes, No, No --> Shouldn't count.

What's the contradiction in Uhura's memory loss?

 

[Lord Garth]

What's the contradiction in Uhura's memory loss?

The next episode.

 

[Tim Thomason]

5. Discovery's Spore Drive. --> Yes, Yes, Yes, No --> Still counts. The Spore Drive is wonky but can be explained away in the context of sci-fi and lacks the proper combination of answers to rule it out. To go further moves into spoiler territory

A strongly, vehemently disagree with this. There are no more Discovery spoilers, as it's been over six months since the last episode. Unless you're talking about unaired Season 3 stuff.

 

[Lord Garth]

A strongly, vehemently disagree with this. There are no more Discovery spoilers, as it's been over six months since the last episode. Unless you're talking about unaired Season 3 stuff.

I cut and pasted a post from July (as I said). I decided not to re-word what I posted from back then. At the time, it had only been three months since "Such Sweet Sorrow".

 

[fireproof78]

The funny thing to me is that somehow the inconsistency in Trek is a bug and not a feature given how much was updated or changed for the sake of it as soon as the films happened, and as soon as GR had TNG greenlit.

Star Trek is not Star Wars and that comparison game wears thing every time I hear it. Star Wars is a space fantasy, and instead of "Once upon a time" it is "A long, long, time ago, in a galaxy far away...." Star Trek is set in our humanity's future. Updates are inevitable, if annoying to fan theories and head canon.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Hell, why is every Enterprise captain, bar one, a male? Are we seriously to believe in two hundred years, only one female was good enough to command Starfleet's most prestigious ship? Considering at least two women have made it to the head of Starfleet itself in the 24th century alone, that seems really odd.

Well, if Archer died in the S3 finale of ENT, either T’Pol or Erika Hernandez could have become captain of the NX-01 Enterprise.

And its entirely possible that Demora Sulu became captain of the Ent-B at some point, since she started off on that ship as an ensign. It just isn’t canon right now.

 

[Dukhat]

And its entirely possible that Demora Sulu became captain of the Ent-B at some point, since she started off on that ship as an ensign. It just isn’t canon right now.

And it's entirely possible she was transferred to another ship once she was promoted to lieutenant. Or the Enterprise-B was destroyed only a year after it was commissioned.

But I'm sure that by the TMP movie era, there were lots of female captains.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

If we’re using Star Wars as an example of consistent canon, no. Jedi was originally an ancient forgotten religion, not something that was mainstream Galaxy government 30 years ago.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Hell, why is every Enterprise captain, bar one, a male? Are we seriously to believe in two hundred years, only one female was good enough to command Starfleet's most prestigious ship? Considering at least two women have made it to the head of Starfleet itself in the 24th century alone, that seems really odd.

This why I hope that when the Enterprise inevitably shows up in Picard it has a female Captain instead of Worf as is apparently the case in the tie-in novel.