Under Bryan Fuller the Discovery was going to disguise itself as a D7?
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Disguising of ships physically is a naval classic, often involving canvas smokestacks and plywood superstructures. I gather there would be no need to "design" ship A to be capable of pretending to be ship B exactly, in order to achieve the A-to-B conversion.
How old the hero ship class is, or how old the ship herself is, is unknown. Stamets claimed the ship was essentially built to his specs in "Context", but perhaps that's rebuilt. A person whose expertise we have little reason to trust but whose eyesight was probably just fine said the innards looked new; might be Stamets had them installed in an old bargain hull. Certainly the "Binaries" fleet comes off as one of the most diverse Starfleet ones, stylistically, and probably quite intentionally; it's not particularly easy or difficult to assign fictional ages to the different designs there.
Timo Saloniemi
How old the hero ship class is, or how old the ship herself is, is unknown. Stamets claimed the ship was essentially built to his specs in "Context", but perhaps that's rebuilt. A person whose expertise we have little reason to trust but whose eyesight was probably just fine said the innards looked new; might be Stamets had them installed in an old bargain hull. Certainly the "Binaries" fleet comes off as one of the most diverse Starfleet ones, stylistically, and probably quite intentionally; it's not particularly easy or difficult to assign fictional ages to the different designs there.
Timo Saloniemi
One would think the Crossfield class would be a pre-existing class that was chosen for the spore drive trials, and indeed the registries for both Disco and the Glenn are lower than the Shenzhou's, which is specified to be an older ship with outdated technology. But then Disco is indicated to be a brand new ship in the first season, so who the hell really knows?
And modified to give it the split saucer design, distinct from it's standard configuration seen in the early teasers.
I don’t think we can realistically determine the age of a DSC ship by its registry. I mean, the Discoprise has the highest registry of all the DSC ships, and yet all the other ships with the exception of the Engle class look more advanced.
But that’s not its standard configuration. That was just a preliminary design that was changed before the show aired.
You know the CGI wasn't the best on DSC. They might have been able to fool some near-sighted and/or drunk Klingons.
Also, for whatever reason, the double-ring saucer is not a "special feature". It attracts no attention when Burnham and the other convicts first spot this ship. It also attracts no attention in the Mirror Universe. Not even Pike seems to think that this as such indeed quite unique primary hull configuration would make this particular ship unique or special.
We might argue that multi-ring hulls are common on science ships (even though we never see any other), and that the unique spore-drive-related bits were actually carefully camouflaged so as not to draw attention to the Discovery. Hence the spinners with the odd boxes on top of them that make it look really impractical to spin the things...
That doesn't mean I can't have the preliminary-design ship in my headcanon, too. I mean, the original Planet of the Titans study model is part of the canon canon already, for its visible parts anyway, and Starfleet might be chock full of ships with triangular secondary hulls. And those with multi-ring saucers, too, if Eaves continues to be employed or perhaps imitated in future Trek.
Timo Saloniemi
Because they didn't approach the ship from an angle to see it.
Presumably Mirror Disco had a similar feature. It also had a spore drive.
This sounds interesting. I assume it would be a military strategy played out over several episodes because they wouldn't do this for a single episode. Maybe the war story would have played better under his leadership. Sounds like you would have lots of tension being surrounded by your enemy and playing possum while your trying to pull off a secret mission.
Jason
Jason
They really got a grand tour with those tractor beams. The very first thing they would see would be the underside of the primary hull...
And Pike saw it all, and never suspected anything amiss. Although since he's the epitome of cool, we can't really tell whether he knew of the existence of the spore drive in advance or not, when all we have to judge this by is that he doesn't blink when the heroes tell him their ship can spore jump.
What makes you think that? The Mirror ship was in the hands of Captain Killy. The Emperor would be unlikely to trust her worst competitor with the supertech. And none of the characters ever suggested the Mirror ship, or indeed any ship, could spore jump: indeed, the entire concept came as something of a revelation to the Emperor when Burnham came clean. As in, "Hmm, you used Stamets' Secret Spore Powers for that, instead of just for Ultimate Powahhh! How quaint."
Timo Saloniemi
The ISS Discovery did not have a Spore Drive.
Mirror Disco arrived in the Prime Universe somehow, Admiral Cornwell said they found the debris from it. How did it do that if not through spore drive?
Supposedly through the Regular ship's use of the drive. This is qualitatively different from the spatial rift technique that drives people mad, and may be closer to the transporter technique that doesn't involve two transporters activating simultaneously on both sides of the Mirror, but OTOH is known to swap parties across the Mirror (not just in TOS, but supposedly in Lorca's backstory, too).
Theoretically, Mirror Tilly might have been secretly operating her version of the drive in an attempt to dethrone the Emperor. But where would she have gotten the drive? Mirror Stamets worked for different parties altogether.
Unless we interpret our Stamets' mushroom moment where he calls our Tilly "Captain?" as proof that Killy was Mirror Stamets' commanding officer at some point, and secretly benefited from the scientist's work before the Emperor snatched him away...
Timo Saloniemi
Theoretically, Mirror Tilly might have been secretly operating her version of the drive in an attempt to dethrone the Emperor. But where would she have gotten the drive? Mirror Stamets worked for different parties altogether.
Unless we interpret our Stamets' mushroom moment where he calls our Tilly "Captain?" as proof that Killy was Mirror Stamets' commanding officer at some point, and secretly benefited from the scientist's work before the Emperor snatched him away...
Timo Saloniemi
The ISS Discovery and the USS Discovery were occupying the exact same region of space at the exact moment that the USS Discovery crossed over into the Mirror Universe, and the two ships were instantaneously swapped.
Sensors. They even have sensors to point out they're not in the same universe. In short, physically disguising a ship as something else, would work for exactly one second. In even shorter: the idea is nonsense.
From what I'd read ages ago, Fuller's version of the story ended after escaping the Mirror Universe. Instead of jumping 9 months ahead, they jumped to the 24th century at which point Discovery's story ends and we start following a 24th century ship for season 2.
Of course, I read it on the internet so...
Fuller planned on going to the Mirror Universe. In fact, he reportedly wanted to get there as early as the fifth episode. And it was Fuller's idea that Lorca was from the MU right from the beginning.
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