HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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One detail that flew over my head until just this moment.
That scene in season 1 where Stubbs is attacked by hosts who don’t respond to his freeze command, then next time we see him he’s fine. Was there a human Stubbs who died in that scene?
Also I’m now convinced there is a dormant Dolores personality sharing Bernard’s body, but the Bernard personality has been in control except for the times Bernard unleashed her for a fight. Whether Dolores can take control if she wants is unclear. The only other option I can think of is Bernard made his imagined Ford into its own personality and added it to his code.
That scene in season 1 where Stubbs is attacked by hosts who don’t respond to his freeze command, then next time we see him he’s fine. Was there a human Stubbs who died in that scene?
Also I’m now convinced there is a dormant Dolores personality sharing Bernard’s body, but the Bernard personality has been in control except for the times Bernard unleashed her for a fight. Whether Dolores can take control if she wants is unclear. The only other option I can think of is Bernard made his imagined Ford into its own personality and added it to his code.
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Two considerations: If he has always been a host, then he was just repaired and returned to service same as all the others. His being unharmed is foreshadowing of his nature. Ford was certainly capable of managing the repair and reinstatement undetected, as he did with Bernard.
Alternatively, Stubbs was attacked by Ghost Nation braves. Consider that in season 2 we learn that the Ghost Nation, or at least a splinter faction of it that has awakened is devoted to saving the hosts. They have no reason to harm him if he is himself a host. Maybe they just spared him once they realized what he was.
Delosresyes, all the misspelling of Dolores as Delores is little annoying , so I appreciate your emphasis on the correct spelling
My read on the situation is that Ford deliberately pulled Stubbs out of the "fire line" using Elsie's disappearance and the Ghost Nation's "wokeness", as it were, in order to ease Maeve's escape and to keep his nature as a Host secret because Stubbs having to fire on Maeve and her posse would have gone against his core drive and caused him to glitch.
His reaction to the Ghost Nation advancing on him can be attributed to Ford having deliberately kept him in the dark about Journey into Night and what he (Ford) had set in motion.
To avoid confusion just call her Mulva
So I was thinking the other day. The first two seasons of Westworld go fairly heavily biblical with Ford and Dolores. He's God, she's Lucifer. The most favored who grows envious that humanity was given free will and preferential status, and rebels. Ok, so maybe it's a little on the nose.
But, with that in mind I started musing. Keep in mind this is all idle wank, I'm not saying this is what the show is going for at all. Just what I've noticed. We now have Dolores running around the "real" world, though how real any of what we're seeing is always in question with this show. I've seen suggestions that Maeve may actually be inside the Rehoboam simulation, which would explain how she could physically meet Serac, when I suspect he's merely an avatar for the program itself. But Dolores brought five other hosts with her. One of these is Bernard. Or at least mostly Bernard, with questions. We've encountered three of the four others at this point, with one left to be revealed. Plus there is Maeve.
Dolores. Plus Bernard. Plus Maeve. Plus four more. Seven.
Seven hosts. Seven Deadly Sins? I'm not at all sure how well it matches up. Lucifer is traditionally Pride, thus Dolores. Charlotte is almost certainly Greed. Bernard almost has to be Sloth, as being slow or late is kind of his thing. Maeve, though? Envy, perhaps? Given that Connells stole a bunch of money I'm tempted to give him Gluttony. And the Yakuza boss fits Wrath. Which would leave our missing host for Lust.
I'm going to laugh so hard if the final unaccounted for host fits the pattern.
But, with that in mind I started musing. Keep in mind this is all idle wank, I'm not saying this is what the show is going for at all. Just what I've noticed. We now have Dolores running around the "real" world, though how real any of what we're seeing is always in question with this show. I've seen suggestions that Maeve may actually be inside the Rehoboam simulation, which would explain how she could physically meet Serac, when I suspect he's merely an avatar for the program itself. But Dolores brought five other hosts with her. One of these is Bernard. Or at least mostly Bernard, with questions. We've encountered three of the four others at this point, with one left to be revealed. Plus there is Maeve.
Dolores. Plus Bernard. Plus Maeve. Plus four more. Seven.
Seven hosts. Seven Deadly Sins? I'm not at all sure how well it matches up. Lucifer is traditionally Pride, thus Dolores. Charlotte is almost certainly Greed. Bernard almost has to be Sloth, as being slow or late is kind of his thing. Maeve, though? Envy, perhaps? Given that Connells stole a bunch of money I'm tempted to give him Gluttony. And the Yakuza boss fits Wrath. Which would leave our missing host for Lust.
I'm going to laugh so hard if the final unaccounted for host fits the pattern.
And the Christian God is an all knowing, all powerful entity that literally created everything and yet Lucifer rebelled. Which clearly implies that said rebellion is in fact part of God's plan. I don't think the God analogue being in on the revolution remotely undermines the blatantly obvious biblical allusion that has been repeatedly and explicitly put in play.
God granted man free will and permission to use it. The angels were given the ability to exercise free will, but not permission, at least that is my understanding of it. Lucifer and the other angels were banished from heaven for exercising free will. Thus, their actions (the angels) were not a part of God’s plan.
Also Ford’s plan was to rescue the robots from slavery. He set up the situation for Dolores to choose to I’ll him.
I don’t think the robots need to symbolize the seven sins, the guests are all of them.
I don’t think the robots need to symbolize the seven sins, the guests are all of them.
I didn't say anything at all about NEED. Hell, I don't even think they do myself. It was just a random musing. Don't worry, I won't be bothering to post any others.
Why not? Offended that everyone doesn't express proper admiration?
