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I'm currently taking advantage of the free month of CBS All Access to catch up on PICARD and DISCOVERY. Although I'm enjoying a lot of PICARD (I'm on episode 6 right now), it reminds me of an old pet peeve of mine (I don't think this is a big spoiler for PIC, but I'll put it in code just in case):
Or, to put it in a more general way, I hate it whenever Trek repeats itself by having one character repeat a feat that another character already did, like having new Captain characters make Captain even younger than Kirk, or VOY having Tuvok also undergo Kolinahr and leave the program without completing it the way that Spock did in TMP, or ENT also throwing Archer into the Klingon prison Rura Penthe, the way that Kirk and McCoy were in TUC. You've already done that, people. We've already seen it. Do something else.
I REALLY wish that Picard was the only person who ever came back from Borg assimilation. And yes, that includes Hugh and Seven of Nine. Picard being rescued from the Borg was supposed to be a miraculous, one time thing. For there to be an entire group of people who came back from Borg assimilation really dilutes the entire concept, IMO.
Or, to put it in a more general way, I hate it whenever Trek repeats itself by having one character repeat a feat that another character already did, like having new Captain characters make Captain even younger than Kirk, or VOY having Tuvok also undergo Kolinahr and leave the program without completing it the way that Spock did in TMP, or ENT also throwing Archer into the Klingon prison Rura Penthe, the way that Kirk and McCoy were in TUC. You've already done that, people. We've already seen it. Do something else.
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Well I strongly dislike both that era and that style of music.
And there's enough movies and TV shows set in the time period when that style of music was mainstream. And even directly from that time period.
So I see no need to shove it into SciFi set hundreds of years in the future and force it into multiple episodes, often without serving any point in the story and even make a whole episode about it.
Plus even without the music his dialogue was pure, undiluted cringe.
We never saw the Alamo or the Camelot programs, so I don't see why they needed to torture us with Vic.
I mean I dislike Holodeck episodes in general, because when I watch SciFi, I wanna see SciFi. Not Picard LARPing a Noir story, not Janeway pretending to be Jane Eyre and not people hanging out in a Nightclub with a slimy, smarmy crooner.
I wanna see Space Ships and Alien Cultures and Galactic Politics and well if you gotta have musical numbers, why not try to make it Alien music..the musical number in Jabba's Palace in Return of the Jedi was awesome.
You mean "torture you" not "torture us".
The production staff obviously liked it or it wouldn't have been there. Some like it, some don't. You're a Star Trek fan, right? IDIC.
So you don't like Vic when he's an incidental part of an episode and you don't like him when he's essential to the episode. Man, he can't win for losing with you.
Everything I say is subjective and only my opinion. I just assume people around here understand that without me having to point it out explicitly.
Oh he could; if he died horribly in an episode. Man, he can't win for losing with you.
Or if he was a completely different character.
Honestly I would already be happy if he was an alien singing at Quark's, even if it was lounge music. Well, not "happy" but "happier"
That wasn't Jane Eyre, it was Turn Of The Screw. I don't care if they said it was Jane Eyre, it was Turn Of The Screw.
A holographic Human singing lounge music in a holosuite in a bar at the far end of the Federation isn't an alien singing at Quark's?
Both are interesting in their own way. I prefer Ezri because I always liked Dax with Bashier, among other reasons. Ezri is more interesting character for me.
I liked that time when Sisko rebuked her for her snark/jokes
Come on, do you really think you're gonna change my mind or somehow "proof" my opinion "wrong" because of technicalities and calling "akshuallay"? You know that's not how it works.
You know very well I am alking about a bumpy headed Star Trek alien singing in the bar itself, not a hologram based on a human in a holosuite.
Also his Alien design would have to be particularly interesting to make it palatable to me. Like somewhere in the category of Trance from Andromeda.
Well I prefer Dax with Bashier over Worf, though I think I would have preferred Ezri on her own for a while, not being in any relationship.
But in general I thought Ezri had more potential in her character and I found her more relatable. We knew very little about Jadzia before she was joined and she seemed so good at everything and often she seemed kinda...well I don't wanna use the b word, but it seems like it really fits a lot of the time.
Even the way Exri reacted to the joining was, imho, a lot more realistic than Jadzia just being fine with the whole thing.
I'm not saying I wish Jadzia gone from the show, but I would have kinda preferred if we got like 4 seasons with her and 3 seasons with Ezri at least, simply so that there would have been more room to explore the latter's character and have her grow more.
Just thought of another example that bugs me: Didn't VOY establish that Janeway also had a friendship of sorts with Boothby at Starfleet Academy?
I considered that Boothby being friendly with many cadets. I had teachers and other school staff in high school that were people the students could go to for many reasons, most of them involving trust. It wouldn't surprise me if you did too. It never struck me as something special between Picard and Boothby, more just Boothby being a caring person that all the cadets could trust.
I'm with you. Up until the engine room scene it was one of my top few Trek films; what happened thereafter knocked it back a bit, but I'd still take it over most of the others.
While I liked Beyond, I'd have much preferred a direct sequel to ID.
With teachers, sure. But with the groundskeeper at the Academy? No. It was supposed to be a unique thing, and it was something that set Picard apart. Making it something that Janeway also did does a disservice to both her and Picard. Two different lead characters of a Star Trek series both having a friendship with the groundskeeper at Starfleet Academy is way too contrived and Small Universe Syndrome for my tastes. YMMV.
Spock and crew go to the Genesis Planet to resurrect Kirk?
Spock and crew go to the Genesis Planet to resurrect Kirk?
At the rate the Kelvin Movies are/were released, I think it's best that they stay(ed) self-contained.
One of the reasons I hated Into Darkness so much was because of how many moments & plotlines it lazily repeated from the first movie and the ST franchise in general. Kirk's ego gets him into trouble... again! Kirk is demoted and has to prove himself worthy of the Captaincy and Pike's respect... again! Kirk free falls towards a small target from outer space... again! It's an insane Starfleet Admiral going rogue... again! Exactly 72 of Khan's followers from the 20th Century survived... again! Khan comes back and kills off an Enterprise crew member... again! It's Kirk & Spock separated by glass with one of them dying... again! Someone yells, "KHAAAANNNN!!!"... again! Spock loses his temper and beats someone up... again! Kirk listens to the Beastie Boys... again!
For God's sake, we've seen all of this stuff before, and done better. Do something else.
This is my main gripe with the new treks, at least outside of aesthetics. The plots are rehashes. Revenge and betrayal were all the rage in the 00s and 10s. Let's do something new. Give them a problem relating to science, space, planets, a culture. Have them extend a episode into a movie.
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