Spoilers On Seven and sexuality
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Her son was speaking of his dad. So if in the future people don't start to call women dads, Raffi was married to a guy. That makes her bi, too.
So, you're asking for a quota for straight people, eh? Since DSC had a gay couple and honored the established MU Depraved Bisexual trope with the Empress, non-straight characters should be banned until the ratio of straight characters becomes acceptable again.
How does this operate in practice? What's the target ratio of straight characters? Are we only counting Starfleet personnel? Does the timeframe for calculating the ratio extend all the way back to TOS?
Rahul, whatever happened to Chakotay, anyway? I don't have a problem with them breaking up after Voyager's return home. It's a new timeline than from what Admiral Janeway came from, and they had only just started dating. If Seven is part of Picard's 2nd season, I do want to either see Chakotay or at least have it explored what happened to Seven & Chakotay.
Seven breaking up with Chakotay is the least surprising and requires no additional explanation.
I can't find the EDIT button, so double post. AlanC9, I think Kpnuts is trying to say that people who differ from heterosexual are in the minority. Take myself for example. I am 36. I've met a few gay people over the years, and one transsexual. As for people I call friend, one is gay, two are bisexual in a homosexual relationship. That's all. If modern TV wants to acknowledge that people are openly gay or whatever, producers & writers discretion. However, when lots of TV shows have LGBT or whatever acronym characters, and you're seeing it more on TV than in real life, it becomes unrealistic.
Discovery: I've only seen the first season, but there were only two gay characters, the doctor and engineer, right?
Picard: Holding hands doesn't make people gay, it doesn't even mean a relationship. It can just mean those two people are very close. Let's see what happens in Season 2.
On hand holding, my gay friend deals with ongoing depression and anxiety. There are times where I've held his hand to ground him, to help him calm down. Does that mean people think we're gay? I don't care. Does that mean we're in a relationship? No. It means I'm his friend. People read waaaaay too much into hand holding. It can mean so many different things without context. In the case of Seven and Raffi, it could just mean they're close friends who've both suffered a lot of loss, they're bonding. Again, how about we wait for Season 2 to see what happens?
Discovery: I've only seen the first season, but there were only two gay characters, the doctor and engineer, right?
Picard: Holding hands doesn't make people gay, it doesn't even mean a relationship. It can just mean those two people are very close. Let's see what happens in Season 2.
On hand holding, my gay friend deals with ongoing depression and anxiety. There are times where I've held his hand to ground him, to help him calm down. Does that mean people think we're gay? I don't care. Does that mean we're in a relationship? No. It means I'm his friend. People read waaaaay too much into hand holding. It can mean so many different things without context. In the case of Seven and Raffi, it could just mean they're close friends who've both suffered a lot of loss, they're bonding. Again, how about we wait for Season 2 to see what happens?
I have yet to see it in unrealistic numbers. TOS is more unrealistic for me since I know only a Russian and a Pacific islander.
Sadly, yes. In my headcanon, it was just Earl Gry, iced, in a bottle!
In what way?
Who cares if they were or not? The show hasn't portrayed addiction as a positive and the fact that they use alcohol doesn't make it approval.
Indeed. And not just because it's Chuckles. It's been what, 25 years? Who of you is still together with their first partner?
I have worked with addicts and addiction, that's probably why I have problems with the way they have portrayed Raffi's abuse and addiction so far. Not huge ones, but I think it has to be dealt with in some way in season 2. (Realistically speaking, any kind of relationship would be doomed otherwise, not just romantic ones.)
OTOH, I don't want a season full of drama about addiction, co-dependency and such... Maybe there is a way of dealing with ths in a sort of subdued way.
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I wasn't sure about my sexuality until I was around 25. Things like that need time, especially if you're bi, believe me, it's confusing
For me, as a mental health counselor, I would focus on her having healthy relationships. I know there is the whole medical side to addiction, but I think Raffi struggles with being on the fringes of Federation society, and her alcohol use is clearly her coping, much like Seven uses it as coping too. Giving them healthy relationships to build in to would be a positive step.
And Seven would hardly have a normal development cycle. So, expecting her to have this whole sexuality thing when she really is only about 26 is odd, to say the least.
The edit button is directly under the comment for most people, but you you need to be part of the forum for a time and have posted a certain amount of messages. If nothing has changed in recent times it is 14 days and 14 posts. So write two more messages and you should see it. It is to prevent spam bots.
Personally I also got no ex lovers vibes from Seven and Bjayzl when I watched that episode. And then I came to this forum and saw this thread. And then I was wondering if I missed anything, but I didn't. People interpret things differently and can get different impressions from the same scenes.
While I also generally wouldn't say hand holding needs to mean the start of something romantic, I guess this time it does. It is the second time in a row that they gave Seven a scene which seemingly can be interpreted in a lesbian way. And Chabon confirmed it that they want to explore their relationship.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/03/28/mi...picard-finale-loose-ends-season-two-and-more/
Why didn't TOS explain why Kirk ended his love affairs, except when they died (Miramame, Edith, the android lady)
Lots of TV shows were 99% white, The Cage was 100% white, a real reflection of the 1966 American TV audience, right?
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We got a relationship out of nowhere with Carol Marcus is TWOK. Fandom has spent years trying to fit that in to Kirk's backstory of various relationships, including the ones you listed and the lady from "Wink of an Eye." Oh, and his past history with Janice Lester too.
I would love them to represent reality. 5 gay characters in two small-ish crews, with a 6th on the way isn't reality.
I'm not one of these gay men who cheer and clap when I see "one of me" on the screen. I did when they made Sulu gay and potentially when I read Culber was, but then they took it too far, not just gay characters but all sorts of social politics. Now I just find it cringeworthy and forced.
I wasn't even talking about Georgiou. I was talking about Reno, another gay character.
There's no quota, no need to overthink it, just don't shoehorn in political characters constantly. Culber is already a walking billboard, with zero character traits apart from being gay. Why not actually develop characters instead of fishing for headlines about how "progressive" the show is. Seriously, two seasons in, does anyone know anything about Culber? Apart from him liking opera?
Forced politics is part of Trek.
What would be reality?
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