I don’t have access to the expanded cut of “The Measure of a Man” at the moment, but the final draft of the script doesn’t say anything about the night watch in the dialogue that mentions the Reliant.
Spoilers New Picard TV Series and Litverse Continuity (may contain TV show spoilers)
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Thinking about it, this might have happened before Voyager encountered the Sikarian home world. If it happened after "Decent", Hugh likely wouldn't have know about it, since he was no longer connected to the collective. Unless its something he later learned about during his time on the artifact.
The most recent information we have is this quote from Dayton Ward:
That was less than a month ago. The only other thing that’s been hinted is that Data and Lal might appear in an upcoming novel, which would presumably place that novel in the litverse continuity.
Revisiting the original topic here... I think it's pretty clear at this point that PIC has nullified most of the -- I suppose we could call it the "Destiny" Lit Continuity, since Destiny is where so many of those stories intersected -- most of the Destiny Lit Continuity. But I also think PIC has given the authors a whole new set of toys to play with, and I'm excited to see what they do with it.
I'm also mentally playing with how to fit some things from the DLC into what PIC has established about the period between NEM and PIC...
I'm also mentally playing with how to fit some things from the DLC into what PIC has established about the period between NEM and PIC...
Like, there's nothing stopping the Tezwa arc from playing out as it did originally. 2379 could still see the election of Nanietta Bacco. Arguably, a version of the Borg Invasion could still have happened in 2381, and that could play into why the Federation turned its back on the Romulans. Maybe in this version of the story, Bacco is assassinated right before the Synth attack (or maybe she dies while on Mars?), and the one-two punch of the Synth attack and the President's death drives the next President and Council away from helping the Romulans evacuate. You'd lose the hopeful feeling that zh'Tarash's election was supposed to give you in The Fall -- but I dunno, I kind of like the idea that maybe Ishan Anjar becomes President after the Mars Attack and he's the guy who cuts off the Romulans. Maybe his exposure and arrest does happen later on, but doesn't involve Picard, and isn't enough to get the Federation off of its isolationist footing even if it does start to get a bit better in the years between the supernova and the start of PIC. Maybe Voyager and the Full Circle Fleet return around 2384, and that's enough time for Icheb to transfer, be abducted, Seven to join the Fenris Rangers, and all hell to break loose along the Romulan border? Cold Equations and The Light Fantastic are obviously thrown out the window, unless we want to say that Picard in PIC considers Data 2.0 to be a separate person whose existence he's covering for, but he's still in mourning for the original Data? Spit-balling here.
^If this were the new Star Wars, and the way it gleefully rifles through Legends to fill in backstory, I'd absolutely believe that something like that could happen. As it is, with Trek maintaining it's longstanding approach that the more reliable way for something non-canon to be referenced in the canon is to come out when the TV/movie writers were impressionable teens, I don't see it happening unless filmed Trek goes on another downswing (and Trek Lit has a corresponding renaissance).
Oh, I'm not suggesting that any of that stuff becomes canon or be referenced in the canon. I'm just brainstorming whether or not there are ways for future TrekLit novels to both be consistent with what PIC has established and salvage elements of the old Destiny Lit Continuity.
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Well, one season in and I have to say that I greatly prefer the novel continuity.
I like the new show and most of the characters, but I also prefere the novel continuity. Because of:
Elnor, Soji, Rios, Kestra and Raffi are my favorite characters.
Bruce Maddox recast and instantly killed. Seven of Nine - also in the novel continuity a strong character - goes on a killing spree, even if she has strong reasons for doing it.
Elnor, Soji, Rios, Kestra and Raffi are my favorite characters.
Not the Litverse per se, but Picard's fate is somewhat similar to what happened to him in the Myriad Universes story Brave New World.
Maybe does not belong here, but the novelverse had Data 2.0 for a while. Will Picard 2.0 resemble Data 2.0 at a high level?
It doesn't seem like it. While it sounds like the new Picard has the classic transporter problem of being a separate person, "copied" rather than "moved," just as Data was, Picard's new body doesn't seem to have the kind of changes that led to Data Soong being distinct from Data (aside from correcting Picard's senility); Picard's memories of his original's life even go up to his death, whereas Data Soong (and the Virtual Data in the episode) diverged from the original a few days before he died. If you ignore the eschatological issue, what happened to Picard seems more akin to Cylon Resurrection from BSG, a brand-new flesh body identical to his old one, less the scars and traumas of his life (so, presumably, the other big difference would be that his heart is no more robotic than the rest of him).
The last episode implied
And it made me wonder about the sexuality of established Trek characters. In the Voyager novels, Seven was presented as heterosexual but live action has her as bi/pan or possibly gay (since she was in many ways very young and finding herself during Voyager) and it's made me wonder what interesting similar twists Treklit could pull. After all, even if a character is only (thus far) depicted with the opppsite sex, isn't it presumptive to assume they're hetero?
Something was going on between Seven and Raffi, even though I don't think they had a single conversation previously, let alone any kind of forshadowing
What does recasting have to do with it?
The Litverse is no longer in continuity, but the Shatnerverse is still at play. #BringBackKirk for Picard Season 2.
Apparently, that character is just into jumping into relationships without any set-up.
I realize this is the wrong thread for my Solomonic solution, but I've been biting my tongue for the past few days to keep from saying "Why don't we assume both (or, I suppose, all three) Sulus are bisexual?"
Seven and Raffi did have a scene together in the Freecloud episode. While practicing what they were going to do, Raff handcuffed Seven, apologized for it and added she really does admire what Seven does. Admittedly nothing to setup a romance, unless you want to interpret the handcuffing as bondage play.
Recasting wasn't the problem.
The fact that Maddox (who had been namedropped several times, having great importance to the plot) shows up and is immediately killed off - THAT was the problem.
They specifically mentioned the Recast being an issue.
