Unpopular Trek opinions game
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What kind of a left-hook is that?
As per the thread title, who's winning the game right now?
Kirk's Enterprise shouldn't have been the first one in the United Federation of Planets (meaning post-2161). I think it just should've been the first one with the NCC-1701 registry. That Enterprise was so notable it had suffixes added to each new Enterprise to keep the rest of the registry the same. But I think there should've been other Enterprises before it, but after the NX-01.
There's room for three Enterprises between Archer and April. Assuming Starfleet likes to keep names in circulation.
There's room for three Enterprises between Archer and April. Assuming Starfleet likes to keep names in circulation.
I have this crazy fan theory that when the NX-01 was decommissioned, it was sent to the Utopia Planitia shipyards and used as a testbed. It was fitted with new systems and structures for nearly a century. Finally, when it was rebuilt as a prototype for the Constitution class, it performed so amazingly well thanks to all those legacy systems left from previous trials, that the brass decided to bring it back to active duty as the NCC-1701.
It was a successful ship, but technically so complex that it needed a top Engineer to keep it up and running. Especially after it was refitted to the Constitution-II class. That's why Scotty was the only one to make it run efficiently and he couldn't be transferred elsewhere, despite his promotion to Captain. Compared to it, the latter production line models felt like they were put together by monkeys.
That's why the NX-01 was never mentioned in the later series: it was always there, since the beginning.
Now how about this:
I don't get what's so great about "City on the Edge of Forever"
I don't like time travel stories into Earth's past, but even beyond that I find the episode boring.
Edith Keeler comes off as crazy for rambling at homeless people that they shouldn't give up hope because "one day we will have spaceships! (Edit: it seems I must add: ) And the men in the spaceships will solve all our problems!
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And how am I supposed to take the idea that Edith is Kirk's "One Tru Wuv" seriously when the guy has a new "romantic" interest every other week? (Plus, love in Star Trek, particularly TOS and TNG, is mostly portrayed as pretty cheap anyway, with people falling in love at the drop of a hat, or rather whenever a beautiful/handsome guest star shows up, only to forget about it by the end of the episode)
I don't get what's so great about "City on the Edge of Forever"
I don't like time travel stories into Earth's past, but even beyond that I find the episode boring.
Edith Keeler comes off as crazy for rambling at homeless people that they shouldn't give up hope because "one day we will have spaceships! (Edit: it seems I must add: ) And the men in the spaceships will solve all our problems!
"And how am I supposed to take the idea that Edith is Kirk's "One Tru Wuv" seriously when the guy has a new "romantic" interest every other week? (Plus, love in Star Trek, particularly TOS and TNG, is mostly portrayed as pretty cheap anyway, with people falling in love at the drop of a hat, or rather whenever a beautiful/handsome guest star shows up, only to forget about it by the end of the episode)
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Except "Nemesis" had Geordi returning to bionic vision implants. He was cured as well. Insurrection's cure was just temporary, or requiring one to stay on Teletubby planet for the positive aspects to remain. Or the makers forgot continuity when putting out Nemesis and just had him wearing implants again. Can't blame them for that either; I recall they avoided Data's emotion chip as well and by then Data with a sense of humor just didn't work... maybe they felt INS was not the best plot idea to use and even INS postulates the effects of the magical radiation would be temporary...
Edith said [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/28.htm]:
And the men that reach out into space will be able to find ways to feed the hungry millions of the world and to cure their diseases. They will be able to find a way to give each man hope and a common future, and those are the days worth living for.
So....
At least get it right what the future she saw was and how it would benefit the people living in it.
She said:
Energies that could ultimately hurl us to other worlds in some sort of spaceship. And the men that reach out into space will be able to find ways to feed the hungry millions of the world and to cure their diseases
So yeah, she says we'll have the men in the spaceships will solve all the problems.
And I never said that was the only thing she said. Just seems a bit weird that the she's so focused that it would have to be the men going into space that would find all the solutions.
Sorry that I didn't quote word for word, but I will shock you know; I don't like the bore-fest of an episode and I haven't seen it more than once.
And even if her dialogue here had been different I wouldn't like her or the episode.
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You said that homeless people were being asked to have hope because one day there would be spaceships. That's false. Edith was asking them to live for a time when the problems that people had would be solved by men in spaceships. That's not a trivial distinction.
Not at all. It's basically the Star Trek premise itself. It's meant to indicate that she is envisioning the Federation or something very much like it.
I know that, it just came of weird to me when viewed as a solo story. After all the character doesn't know she's in a show about people in space ships.
That's the whole reason she catches Kirk's attention. She sees more than just the present around her.
Keeler was using the masculine to include the feminine in a mixed-gender group. That was typical usage in the mid-20th century, both in the 1930s when it was set, and in the mid 1960s when it was written and first aired. Being careful to explicitly include the feminine in a mixed group really dates from about 1970-1975 or later.
That's just one of the smaller problems with her talk about men in spaceships solving our problems.
It was just cheesy how she started talking about spaceships, and then solving problems, and then specifically said the people in spaceships are the ones solving problems.
A better speech would be about a better future without poverty and with better technology, and maybe end with a mention of space travel.
P.S. I'm also not a fan of the Borg.
It was just cheesy how she started talking about spaceships, and then solving problems, and then specifically said the people in spaceships are the ones solving problems.
A better speech would be about a better future without poverty and with better technology, and maybe end with a mention of space travel.
P.S. I'm also not a fan of the Borg.
But he was transferred to the Excelsior at the same time he was promoted to Captain.
Yeah, I love COTEOF myself, but that dialogue makes me cringe now. It's just WAY too on the nose.Edith Keeler comes off as crazy for rambling at homeless people that they shouldn't give up hope because "one day we will have spaceships! And the men in the spaceships will solve all our problems!
Thanks for reminding me. Also he thought the Excelsior was over-engineered, which sorta blows a hole in my theory of the Enterprise systems having been complicated. Well, perhaps he was just used to the way they were complicated...
Nah, that wasn't my problem, I know language used to be like that (and due to how the word developed in older English 'men' can mean both male humans and humans in general. Originally man meant gender neutral human, wifman was the word for woman and wereman was the word for man/male human. That last word still survives in werewolf=man-wofl)
Tribble Threat and JohnnyQuest put it better than I did, I thought it was too on the nose and cheesy that she focused on the invention of spaceships leading to the solution of problems. I would have liked it better if she had spoken of a brighter future in general with "mankind will figure out ways to feed the starving millions and cure diseases and we might even invent space ships and go to other planets" instead of "we'll have spaceships and the people on the spaceships will save us"
But even if the speech had been like that, I wouldn't have liked the episode as a whole.
^ Agreed, on both points.
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