Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Kahlesh, May 15, 2019.
It is highly creative. And stands out. The two are true at the same time.
Ok heres one
Star Trek V despite its many problems is much more watchable then TMP, Genarations, insucrection, and Nemesis
Agree. I'd add TVH as well. Nice movie I suppose, but massively unrewatchable.
I talking about when serialized storytelling became common in hour-long dramas.
Not to mention that everyone on a planet has the same culture or religion, UNLESS you want to make a satement about peace or racism or something, then it's two! I'm sure it has more to do with budget contraints, but it really comes across as "only humans are the special snowflakes ho have diversity and complexity".
Indeed and it is so irritating to here the complaints of "Klingons don't act like that!" when they have an interstellar empire and maybe *gasp* cultural variation.
Huh i was expecting taht to be more unpopular
I'm someone else who also liked TFF.
But. Way, waaaay back, most other people on the board here didn't. Everyone else who likes the film came out of the woodwork and joined later. And here I was thinking, "Where were all of you all this time?!"
As of 2020, my ranking of the first 10 films goes:
The optics of those rankings are deceiving, as I like the vast majority of them. It's just a matter of which one do I like more or less.
"Yesterday's Enterprise" is overrated.
It's a fun episode and has some great stuff, don't get me wrong....I definitely like it, but it's one of the earliest reset button episodes in the franchise.
There's actually two resets in the episode. Which one do you prefer?
Not to mention the ugh romance between alternate-Yar and Castillo.
I have to disagree with this unpopular opinion. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is my favorite Pre-"Best of Both Worlds" episode of TNG.
But I'll make up for it by giving an unpopular opinion of my own: Too many people crap on how '80s the first two seasons of TNG are. I like the '80-ness. It's what helped me get through a lot of those episodes during my rewatch leading up to Picard. If I can't be entertained one way, at least I can be entertained another.
I agree with this a lot. I think the format is a bit to blame as well in TOS and 90s Trek (with the expection of DS9, to some extend) we saw very, very little of how civilians live. We generally see very little of cities and all of that.
Star Trek has also this kind of weird tone where some of the more fantastical aspects of Science Fiction, just as Ecumenopoli would almost seem out of place.
Like I remember seeing the TNG episode about the Dyson Sphere as a child, and even then I already knew they wouldn't dive too much into that.
I love the Space 80s style of TNG!
I agree with this so much, the '80-ness is one big reason why the first two TNG seasons are my favorites!
Unpopular Opinion: I can't stand the overall vibe of "How dare you like the new series better." Two-and-a-half years in, two series later, I can definitively say that's what I think.
I'm sick of the deification of older shows. It's TOS not TOSious. It's TNG not TNGaeon.
This is pretty much my view as well. I am tired, just flat out tired, of the idea that old Trek someone automatically equals good. And I'm seeing it with most franchises now that I enjoy, like SW treating the Prequels as these incredible films that just were not appreciated or the hate was overblown.
And I'm just annoyed a this point. Not all of TOS was good, not all of TNG was good, not all of ENT was bad, etc.
Yes, I can like new stuff more than old stuff. There is a reason why I rate the Abrams' films so highly and its not just because I'm a dumb millennial (I'm not) who just wants actions (I don't.)
You can like what you like. From my seat in the auditorium, I haven't found anything done in the current shows that exceed what was done twenty to fifty years ago.
I watched "Spock's Brain" and "The Paradise Syndrome" two nights ago, "Caretaker" last night, and I found them far more entertaining than what CBS currently is producing. A big part for me, is that a lot of the "fun factor" has been sucked out of Trek in order to make these super serious shows that wear its skin. I thought it was bad during the Berman years, but the current shows have completely sucked any kind of fun and creativity out of the franchise.
Discovery: Well the franchise has four hundred episodes about Klingons, lets do more Klingons!
Picard: We had fifty episodes of TNG about positronics, lets do more!
I thought maybe it was me? But I found each of the Abrams films a fun ride that didn't take themselves too seriously. It is definitely a mileage may vary kind of situation, but I've seen nothing from the current shows that make me go OMG! that is creative and I totally wasn't expecting that. They just seem anchored completely in what's came before with no ambition beyond "what can we mine from the past today?"
I'm talking about the bigger picture. You're talking about the weeds. The series doesn't matter. If it's the one currently in production, the rhetoric will be "How dare you like this new show? Those old shows were great!" Doesn't matter if they were tearing those old shows apart once before. Ripping apart B&B and any series after TNG back in 2000, but now, in 2020, they're suddenly okay? No. That's bullshit. And the same thing will happen to Discovery and Picard. In 2040, someone will be complaining about why whatever Star Trek series is on then can't be more like what they'll think of as the Kurtzman Glory Days.
You say the new shows don't have XYZ anymore. You think we didn't hear that 20 or 30 years ago? We did. There are posters here whose names I won't name -- you know who I'm talking about, you've been here long enough -- who were notorious for complaining about it all the time.
What DSC and PIC are doing happens to be in alignment with what I want. One day, there will be a series that isn't. What's the more sensible thing for me to do when that time comes? Move on or moan about it non-stop?
I seriously hope people remember these shows in 2040. But, right now, they feel as disposable to me as the Bantam novels from the 70's.
Oh, I guarantee I gave up on ENT because it wasn't that fun, as well as just not enjoyable characters.
Plus, the stupid Klingon scene at the beginning of Season 1!
They will. What else will be used as a baseball bat against the newest incarnation of Trek?
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