Did anyone ever call the Jem'hadar a male only warrior sect? Or the Hirogen?)
You're beating a dead horse at this point. I got my answer, it makes sense, there's nothing wrong with it and you're still arguing, for why? I don't know.
As far as the Jem'hadar, I never really watched DS9 like that so I couldn't tell you. I don't know who the Hirogen were.
So far I've got answers that might explain that scene: Romulan society is matriarchal from Chabon himself, and there's also precedence from a series of Star Trek novels. Maybe it's Chabon's way of reinforcing that idea, maybe it isn't. But others were more helpful and provided some actual info.
When you started the post agreeing with someone who literally just said that this is all just the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction
The post I was responding to said nothing about bias against masculinity. It did say "The fact is they made a choice to depict all the Zhat Vash in that scene as female, and I don't understand why. I mean, it's in no way a surprise, but it still made me roll my eyes.
The Qowat Milat is another example of the pendulum swinging so completely the other way."
And I responded with "I get what you're saying," in that it feels like the pendulum has swung the other way. Traditionally action-adventure type of shows and films usually featured males as the rough edged, assertive-aggressive types, and women as being more sensitive, passive, in need of being rescued, not inclined to engage in violence etc etc.
I never said that was a bad thing, but you and others just assumed I was posting as a hater who felt that Star Trek was undermining manhood, anti-white, anti-conservative, blah blah blah, when that's not the case.
When Kpnuts elaborated that he felt it was a negative thing, I responded to him saying it wasn't.
But you're intent on seeing things in very binary terms, one way or the other.
and then spent an entire paragraph associating all the female characters with 'aggressiveness and assertiveness' and with criticizing Picard himself while ignoring or downplaying all the many male characters who showed the same qualities/actions.
I didn't downplay it all. Riker had a completely different approach to that of Troi, for very different reasons. And it's notable that Elnor doesn't fit the traditional male stereotype.
But again, you seem to want to fit everything into neat little boxes. If I say I get what someone is saying in one particular post, you assume I agree with everything they say subsequently. You even assumed I considered the gender role reversal to be a bad thing.
Even going so far as to imply that Elnor isn't really masculine because he's sensitive and that it was somehow supposed to be a meaningful symbolic point that the masculine man who criticized Picard was wrong in his criticism but all the women (and Not Really Masculine Elnor) were right.
Again, I was saying that as commentary on traditional gender roles. How is that a bad thing? If more men were sensitive and more caring, things we traditionally associate with being feminine or with women, we might be better off. And as I said later, it makes the character more interesting. So you're original assumptions about my intent were wrong.
Nothing. So let's please do that and stop pretending that 'aggressive women' and 'sensitive men' are some kind of political statement that needs to be analyzed instead of just people existing in lots of different forms.
Yeah, because Star Trek never makes social or political statements. Because gender roles has never been the subject of say, an episode of Star Trek.
And if it bothers you so much, ignore it. Kpnuts expressed his opinion. He has that right, and from what I recall, he wasn't breaking any rules of the forum or being rude. If people want to examine or discuss film and television criticism and analysis, what's the problem?
If people want to discuss gender roles, the producers thinking, possible social political commentary, behind-the-scenes decisions, etc, again, how does that affect you negatively?
And also let's stop pretending that this show is only focused on strong women and less 'masculine' men when we've literally got characters like Riker, Picard, Rios, Zhaban and Narek staring us in the face. Not to mention Dr. Jurati.
This is a discussion forum. It's meant to discuss topics and opinions related to the show. Who are you to tell people what to discuss? As long as they're being respectful and not breaking forum rules, don't worry about it. Kpnuts expressed his opinion, I agreed with him on noticing certain things and disagreed with him when he expressed that these things were a negative for the show.
