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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

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Everyone still seems to trust Jurati even though they know she was mentally compromised. I guess maybe Sutra would see it, but why is anyone else trusting her?

If these higher synthetics have the the power to wipe out organic life why haven't they? So the biologicals can make more synthetics to murder if said synthetics can't/don't find their octonary system voicemail?

The more they explain the dumber this gets.

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I did not get that impression from what was presented in the episode.

"Life begins. Life begins. The dance of division and replication. Imperfect. Finite. Organic life evolves, yearns for perfection. That yearning leads to synthetic life. But organics view this perfection as a threat. When they realize their creations do not age or become sick...become sick...or die...or die, they will seek to destroy them and in so doing, destroy themselves. Beyond time and space, we stand, an alliance of synthetic life. Synthetic life. Watching you. Waiting for your signal. Summon us, and we will come. Summon us. You will have our protection. Your evolution will be their extinction."

That does not sound to me like synths rebelling against organics. It sounds like organics fearing what they have created and destroying it.

Personally, in all the articles I have read in the real world, the reasons given for building synthetic life never included perfection. It was about sending machines to places where man couldn't go or to make corporations more efficient, maximizing profits. I do not know where this idea of building machines for the purpose of creating the perfect has its origin.
from some people who believe in transhumanism, soong jr is a clear example of a transhumanist.
 
Not everybody is a gamer. I confess I have no idea what "Mass Effect" is about. Some kinda sci-fi computer game, I gather?
It is a computer/video game that has way more staying power than I like. I'm glad Chabon knows nothing about it so as to put to rest he borrowed from it. Let that game burn forever.
 
Some fans think the 2399 phaser rifles look a lot like the battle rifles from the Halo games. I see a passing resemblance here and there but I don't think they're specifically modeled on such a popular video game weapon.
 
Mass effect was a solid truly great series the whole way through. It became popular to bash online when the 3rd and final game didn't live up to ridiculously high expectations and the gaming community is kind of terrible in how those things snowball.

There are similarities to the story with Picard but it's the same situation as Hunger Games / Battle Royale, Annihilation / Roadside Picnic, the authors say they never heard of the other.
 
Was anyone surprised that Sutra turned out to be evil? She just gave out to me such an evil villain vibe from the moment she first appeared on screen that I was absolutely sure that she isn't nice like Data.
 
Mass Effect was great until it derailed when the person who wrote the storyline for the series left, then the people left behind decided to go in a new direction. It is now remembered for the three color-coded ending, especially after one of the people in charge said such a thing would not happen.

The words I quoted from the episode were from the Admonition, the message written by alliance of synthetic lifeforms. They were not from A.I. Soong.
 
The Intelligence can't be V'ger as the Voyager probe that became V'ger was only launched 400 years ago, the Admonition/Beacon was placed there a very long time ago.

It could be what turned Voyager into V'ger though.

My point exactly, the mysterious "machine planet".

Time travel makes the sequence of events murky though.
 
Mass effect was a solid truly great series the whole way through. It became popular to bash online when the 3rd and final game didn't live up to ridiculously high expectations and the gaming community is kind of terrible in how those things snowball.

There are similarities to the story with Picard but it's the same situation as Hunger Games / Battle Royale, Annihilation / Roadside Picnic, the authors say they never heard of the other.

People tend to underestimate how often and how easily different people can independently come up with similar ideas, and especially when it comes to such well-trodden ground as science fiction, fantasy, horror, etc.

"I'm sure nobody has ever thought of time-traveling robot mermaids before!" :)
 
Mass effect was a solid truly great series the whole way through. It became popular to bash online when the 3rd and final game didn't live up to ridiculously high expectations and the gaming community is kind of terrible in how those things snowball.

Wow....a fandom setting ridiculously high expectations and then lashing out like a bunch of drama-queen, deranged , entitled jerks because they didn't get exactly what they wanted???? Sounds strangely, vaguely familiar....but I'm having trouble placing it.





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Google "laser rifle" and click on images. You will see a lot of things that look similar, mainly because they are informed by our current concept of what a rifle is.
 
And about Hugh what was Picard meaning with “to turn such a gentle soul to violence”? Hugh killed exactly ZERO people in PIC as far as we know and the only thing Picard could think of when he heard of Hugh's death he indirectly caused was voicing his regret that Hugh turned to violence which wasn't even true? That is such an asshole thing to do. Why not simply say that he is really sad about this death and that he didn't deserve to die? That is what normal people do when they hear about a nice person's death who was murdered.

Not to mention his young hug buddy Elnor who in contrast to Hugh killed tons of people on the Borg cube didn't get any similar reactions from Picard. According to Chabon Elnor had killed no one before he met Picard. And now his kill count is who knows how high. Picard didn't seem bothered by it that a really young guy turned to violence only because of him. But he is regretting that much older Hugh did it although the only thing he did before he died was hide while Elnor was slicing up the Romulans.

Maybe his illness is muddling is clear thinking and empathy. He was already acting stupid when he pulled down that "Only Romulans" sign and went into the bar although he must have known that those Romulans have a good reason for not liking the Federation and especially him. It was just stupid provoking them and putting himself in danger like this. Then there was also that he applauded Raffi after getting that diplomatic pass to the Borg cube although she just lost a good friend because of it. That also felt kind of insensitive.
 
According to Chabon, there is no empire. The empire fragmented into successor states, with the Romulan Free State being the largest and strongest, because of the support of the Tal Shiar.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18134558401031871/

The fact that I have to read Chabon's Instagram account to get some sense of the world that this series takes place is indicative of how badly the world building has been for the series.

A lot of the questions being raised here have been answered by Chabon in his stories.

So the Romulan Star Empire was the Soviet Union, Hobus was Chernobyl, and the Romulan Free State is modern Russia while there are also other, tinier nations.
 
And about Hugh what was Picard meaning with “to turn such a gentle soul to violence”? Hugh killed exactly ZERO people in PIC as far as we know and the only thing Picard could think of when he heard of Hugh's death he indirectly caused was voicing his regret that Hugh turned to violence which wasn't even true? That is such an asshole thing to do. Why not simply say that he is really sad about this death and that he didn't deserve to die? That is what normal people do when they hear about a nice person's death who was murdered.
Did not Hugh hatch the plan to reactivate the cube? What do you think was going to happen, a dance party?
 
So they’re going to drag his death out over 3 seasons?

This is how I see it. Picard hasn't become mentally or physically infirm yet. Just everyone knows about his condition now and where it will lead.

Only a month or so has passed in the first season, the entire series might take place in the span of 3 months

Yup.

Should be job requirement number 1 for anyone hired to write for a franchise, sci-fi or other (Trek, MCU, Bond, etc.).

Indeed. For all the people who don't like Picard but continue to watch it anyway, to them I'll say: thanks for still subscribing and continuing to watch anyway.
 
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Nope. It is impossible to please everyone. That's why I admire Chabon and his writing in this episode. He is telling the story he wants and fan expectations be damned.
Should be job requirement number 1 for anyone hired to write for a franchise, sci-fi or other (Trek, MCU, Bond, etc.).
Yeah, but, Captain America picking up Thor's hammer was pretty rad.

So the Romulan Star Empire was the Soviet Union, Hobus was Chernobyl, and the Romulan Free State is modern Russia while there are also other, tinier nations.
No, no, no. The Klingon Empire is the Soviet Union and Praxis was Chernobyl.
 
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