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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

Rate Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"


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hmmm...I’m mixed on it.

It’s got some interesting ideas and setups...I just dunno if they will stick the landing.

I kinda hate the idea of son of Soong. I think a somewhat corrupted “Synth” Data would have had more dramatic impact. I hate to play this card, but would Data and Lore have known and mentioned him before.

given that there are two different interpretations of the vision, I gotta think there is something in the middle that is yet to be discovered.

the show is supposed to go 3 seasons right. If so, there is now way they are going to have Picard slowly dying for the next two. Either some magic synth cure will be found or they will make him an android.

The more I think about it the more I’m kinda frustrated by it.

really hope they stick the landing.
Only second season confirmed so far. Picard is not going anywhere. It’s not for nothing that they showed that “golem” and mentioned “mind transfer”.
 
Only second season confirmed so far. Picard is not going anywhere. It’s not for nothing that they showed that “golem” and mentioned “mind transfer”.

I'm pretty sure they confirmed a third season, to be shot back to back with the second season.
 
Definitely an entreating episode.
Some things that I liked...
-The space flowers. They're continuing with this whole flower theme and the imagery was a nice change. Creative.
-Raffi is adorable. She's becoming one of my favorite characters. The little exchange where Soji says, for Raffi's benefit, "there might be flesh eating fungus" was nice. The geek tendencies of fandom are obviously influencing how some of these characters are portrayed, but in Michelle Hurd's case she sells it.
-Isa Briones as Sutra looked sexy and exuded sensuality among other things.
-The other synth who was guarding Neryk was great. I liked her response to Neryk about holding prisoners.
-I like the actor playing Neryk and his dialogue. "...they'll rain fire on everything supposedly living here." Great line.

I didn't like...
-Sutra's introduction. You know from the getgo she's a bad guy. It's one of those things where it's painfully obvious but no one in the show recognizes it. She's a little too cliched as the femme fatale, just like Narissa.
-Noonien Soong had a son now? And it's played so casual. Oh, you look just like Data. Brent Spiner is great but I'm not feeling this retcon or addition.
-There was just a massacre on the Borg ship but Seven has the most cliched action-movie dialogue. "You here to clean up the mess?"
-It's hard to believe that Elnor is once again saying he needs to stick by Picard. You just let him go to a strange planet without you when he wanted you to follow him. Which is it? Whatever's convenient for the story.
-Patrick Stewart as Picard is one of the least interesting characters on this show.
-Aliens monitoring humanity/organic life feels at home in an Earth-centric movie in present day, not so much in the world of Star Trek where we have all kinds of different life forms out there, not to mention the omnipotent Q.
-The robot/sentient AI is a played out concept and I wish it was something different. It feels very derivative.
-The mini space battle between La Sirena and Neryk's ship was really lame. pewpewpewpewpewpewpew!!! Stock sound effects and it looked like a video game.
-Shame on you Jurati for murdering a man. ::wags finger disappointingly:: Bad doctor!
-Picard gives the worst speech. He really didn't think someone wasn't gonna bring up the failed Romulan rescue?
-"They hate us because we don't grow/we'll out live them." I remember that from Spielberg's film A.I.
 
This was really all over the map for me. The opening firefight was awesome and I liked how creepy and surreal the android colony was. Spiner as yet another Soong literally made my streaming group groan and throw virtual popcorn (and prompted a "Never trust a Soong!") but it was an affectionate hazing. Sometimes, you just have to roll with the franchise in-jokes. ;) But it felt this ep was trying to cash in a lot of emotional chips this season just hadn't earned, and I really have not gotten any less bored with the bargain-basement Lannisters, alone or apart. Plus that line about Hugh was just off. Some good character moments, but I found myself thinking about the structure of the episode more than watching it, and that's usually not a good sign. One more ep, time to wrap it all up.
 
In fairness to Dukat, he was a legit Cardassian patriot. His final meeting with Damar, for instance, which is about the last time he was non-psycho. He was mostly wrong about what was good for Cardassia, though.
He was also kinda a concentration camp overseer for alot of his career
 
How many of you live your parents basement? Lol your complaints and comments go so much in the minutiae of things that miss the broader points of the story. Also, I don’t see Soong as having a son a big retcon. If Data and Lore where created before the son was born, they might never have known about it. Anyways, stop bitching and enjoy the show. It’s honestly great. Oh and that preview for the last episode shows the A.I. looking very much like Control. Sweet!
 
Love it when Rios speaks Spanish. My previous favorite was him calling Picard Jefe. But this week's Puta Madre is the new favorite. :lol:

Straight away thought of the time O ' Brien snuck a "Bollocks" into DS9

Also can we please have a ban on randon never before heard of family members on Trek. The Soongs and the Sareks are getting worse than the feckin skywalkers
 
How many of you live your parents basement? Lol your complaints and comments go so much in the minutiae of things that miss the broader points of the story. Also, I don’t see Soong as having a son a big retcon. If Data and Lore where created before the son was born, they might never have known about it. Anyways, stop bitching and enjoy the show. It’s honestly great. Oh and that preview for the last episode shows the A.I. looking very much like Control. Sweet!

God that means Burnham is gonna show up and save em and then well find out that Burnham is Picards father and Nareks cousin
 
A lot of bizarrely lame and at times laughable stuff going on in this episode. Picard announcing his imminent death seems arbitrary and manipulative. There's a son of Soong now? And he looks just like him? And he does the same work? They left the bird sticking out of that robot lady's eye when they laid her in memorial?

This threat to the universe makes zero sense. It's the Control story again with about as much logic behind it. So if robots become alive and are threatened by fleshies, the robot gods come down and kill all the fleshies? Then why isn't the galaxy ruled by the last batch of robots the robot gods saved? Did they take them away to robot Valhalla? If so, why kill the fleshies? Just extract your robots buddies and leave. There is no way in the world the destruction of whole planets, including millions of innocents and even plants and lower animals, is worth a handful of people in any logical mind. No logical computer would ever come up with this solution. That son-of-Soong thinks this is an acceptable solution is mind boggling.
100 quatloos says that altan soong is really noonian in an android body
 
I wonder if they will transfer Picard's mind to the android body but not tell him.

maybe after a long winded speech he passes out like he did at the beginning of today’s show. But when he wakes up he’s in the new body but they just let him assume he’s the same as he ever was.

I also wouldn’t put it past them to have some sort of answer for it on the cube with 7.
 
No, the M5 was unstable because it was based upon Daystrom's own personality.

And doesn't change the fact that logic can be used to justify horrible decisions. Slaughtering of a threat may be quite logical in the face of possible extinction. That is the nature of survival based decisions.

And I don't care if it is one episode or if it is an arc. It is still a part of Trek storytelling and sets the foundation for how things can continue to work. We have seen multiple instances were logic has been used to justify violence in Trek before. I've seen it in books and comics that I have read over the years.

I don't understand this tendency to dismiss past Trek stories as somehow illegitimate to influence current storytelling. :shrug:


Exactly.
Lore didnt need much logic or anything else to go on a murderous rampage
 
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