Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

[Turtletrekker]

All he needs is one of these:

I still object.

 

[fireproof78]

All he needs is one of these:

I thought those shells were blue?

 

[DaveyNY]

he started drinking his own Kool-aid in the mid-80s and, like with every other religious cult, the moment the cult leader starts to believe his own made up shit, that's when it gets dangerous. Trek fans were lucky it didn't all end with a mass suicide, really.

I died a little when They blew up the enterprise in TSFS.

 

[DaveyNY]

All he needs is one of these:

He has one ... it's called Kentucky.

(Davey Crockett has been rolling over in his grave for years!)

 

[fireproof78]

I died a little when They blew up the enterprise in TSFS.

Well, I hope you got better.

 

[Turtletrekker]

he started drinking his own Kool-aid in the mid-80s and, like with every other religious cult, the moment the cult leader starts to believe his own made up shit, that's when it gets dangerous. Trek fans were lucky it didn't all end with a mass suicide, really.

Wasn't the Heaven's Gate cult heavily into Star Trek the Next Generation?

 

[DaveyNY]

Well, I hope you got better.

I was healing, then Kirk fell off a damn bridge!

 

[Racefuel]

I was healing, then Kirk fell off a damn bridge!

It's not so much he fell off a bridge but more so the bridge fell off with him on it

 

[DaveyNY]

But he got more control back when TNG started.

Which Roddenberry hung onto for about a season and a half before once again being shoved to the sideline by Corporate.
(and his health)

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Star Wars definitely does, especially with the Sequel Trilogy and the newer films. It's the same old, tired, argument; "This isn't real SW!"

It would be nice...

To be fair, the prequels are Star Wars is name only. Midichlorians are NOT Star Wars. “When I first met your father he was already a great pilot [podcracer].” Just, no.

 

[cooleddie74]

Uh, yeah. They are Star Wars. You don't have to like midichlorians but they're part of the network of the Force. Your distaste for Episode I's plot is kind of irrelevant to the canon status of TPM as part of Star Wars.

ENT showed Romulan cloaking technology 114 years before "Balance of Terror(TOS)." It's still canon and now part of the Romulan backstory even if some fans say ENT "violated canon" with episodes like that.

 

[Nyotarules]

If Gene didn't want Starfleet to be military he shouldn't have made it a military.

I like the idea of a scifi show set in the future called Starcops but it must have nothing to do with the police force whatsoever

 

[DaveyNY]

It's not so much he fell off a bridge but more so the bridge fell off with him on it

Either way, it brought back the trauma of "MY" Star Trek being wrecked and my childhood being raped...

Oh wait ... that's a completely different tale.

Now where's my glass of Kool-aid?

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Uh, yeah. They are Star Wars.

Yeah. In name only.

You don't have to like midichlorians but they're part of the network of the Force.

Nope. Disney is ignoring midichlorians, and so am I. And the series is better because of it.

Same goes for the Special Editions. Greedo never shot at Han, let alone shot first.

 

[SJGardner]

I like the idea of a scifi show set in the future called Starcops but it must have nothing to do with the police force whatsoever

They're volunteer community support officers and traffic wardens... who just happen to have police uniforms, ranks and badges, investigate crimes, maintain public order during demonstrations and have the power to arrest people. Starguards aren't police, why would anyone say that nonsense?

 

[cooleddie74]

What you and I say is canon is irrelevant. Not mentioning something and ignoring it doesn't make it non-canon.

Star Trek V and Sybok, for example.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't suspect that will change for them when they become adults.

It changed for me. I was 8 when Episode 1 came out, and 14 when Episode 3 came out. I loved all 3 at the time, but now I just don't care about the prequels. I'd rather watch the sequels than them, and the OT is number one.

So you never know.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Sybok came out of left field. Have they brought him back outside of that film? Name drop or referenced it at least?

 

[Noname Given]

But he got more control back when TNG started. Why push for a particular, consistent vision if that was just a ruse to get control back. Once he had it, why not just do whatever it take to make the machine and take credit? He must have had some personal belief in this aspirational future depiction.

I'm looking more into the relationship with Roddenberry and the TOS films. The general impression though is he was against all the TOS films except his own! There's specific criticisms he has with TUC for example which I agree with, but I haven't yet seen what particular issues he had with the story of TVH, which I would think would be closer to his vision, or closer to to what some fans would expect. It was Nimoy and the producer's idea to NOT go with a clear-cut villain. That and Nimoy's insistence of not having Spock resort to typical physical violence demonstrates that this impression of Star Trek was gestalt effect of different people's visions at different times that culminated in one single impression for a section of fandom.
TMP has the SF, exploration down perfectly but the overall interraction of the crew is kind of cold and definitely has a different and unfamiliar tone compared to the tv show. These characters are fascinating to watch but I don't know if I'd want to have them in my life.
TWOK has the heart and better written characters but an over reliance on action. These are characters I'd like to be around and have as friends.

Considering his ORIGINAL idea for TNG was to pretty much ditch entirely what came before (the original concept for TNG when he got in was that the Enterprise was a generational ship travelling to aznother galaxy and there would be no references to 'old Star Trek'; no Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, et. al. Davuid Gerrold and others who were helping shape the concept had to walk him back ffrom that idea because they were saying: "The fans want Star Trek - how is it Star trek if you don't reference anything from SDtar Trek except the name of teh ship?"

The fact is GR was sick of Star Trek when the started working on creating TNG. Oh, he liked the money - but even WRT that; since he SOLD the rights to TOS to Paramount when the original series ended in 1969 - and they managed to turn the series (then 79 episodes) into a BIG cash cow that he got nothing more from (and Paramount even came after him when he formed Lincoln Enterprises to sell what was effectively unlicensed Trek memorabilia. <-- The case was of course settled and they did want him back in some form - at least his name - for the films because he had developed a cult following in recent years by taking the Star Trek Blooper reels and charging folks to see it at Colleges (I know because I attended a showing at CSUN in 1981 - admission $15 per person) in the late 1970's and early 1980's.

It's also why he wanted people in the production crew who hadn't really seen or been interested in the original Star trek, and why he made it a rule that they SHOULDN'T watch TOS at all because TNG was going to be something NEW that in GR's mind would eclipse and replace that original Star Trek, which he had no merchandising stake in.

TNG was his baby, and he had little to no interference from Paramount Execs in development. That said, it's an example of where you could call BS on one of GR's claims - IE that he REALLY wanted a female character as second in command - because he COULD have done that with TNG; but no, we got the Caucasian "William T. Riker".
^^^
So yeah, I guess GR not having another young actress on his hip he wanted to be had something to do with the loss of the "Woman and second in command" character that he claimed to want SO MUCH but those misogynist Execs wouldn't allow.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah. In name only.

Nope, more than that.