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He also actively facilitated the desire of the Federation to control resources and trade routes (The Price),

Which is not expressly conservative: liberal government make agreements for routes and resources.

the surrendering of Federation Citizens, colonies and worlds to an oppressive and totalitarian government,

Which he did with great reservation, drawing attention to historical injustices in the process. He negotiated modifications to the treaty that he believed would support the autonomy of the Native American settlements within Cardassian territory.

elected to support the status quo and help said oppressive government stop/arrest/destroy a resistance movement(Preemptive Strike) among others.

Which is again not either liberal or conservative. Both types of government have either interfered or walked away, depending on immediate needs and, perhaps, myopia.
 
How many of those were during DS9's more heavily serialized runs?

Oh, plenty! Even during the height of the Dominion War stuff you had "In the Cards,", an absurdist comedy about Jake trying to buy a Willie Mays baseball card; "You are Cordially Invited," a wedding episode; a mirror universe episode in each season; "Who Mourns for Morn," "Far Beyond the Stars" which was basically DS9's "The Inner Light," "One Little Ship" which was a Honey I shrunk the kids type deal; "His Way" a holosuite episode about a reimagined 60s Las Vegas lounge act; "The Sound of her Voice" "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" where they played baseball against the Vulcans, "Badda Bing Badda Bang" a heist plot set up in the Vegas holosuite program, etc. There were lots of episodes that were diversions from the main story arc. Of course they had 30ish episodes a year to do it with.
 
That may be an aspect of Picard that they would admire, but isn't that the quality of every military leader depicted? He still uses that quality in order to maintain a multicultural, largely atheistic environment, casting light on imperial abuse of native populations, and promoting the concept of economy beyond capitalism that is not driven by the desire to possess.
Not always. It depends on the leader. And, speaking as a conservative, I have no problem with Picard's promotion of his beliefs. I admire the leadership qualities, even if I don't agree with them.
 
He negotiated modifications to the treaty
I don't think Picard possessed the authority to modify the treaty. Instead what happen was Picard worked out a entirely separate verbal agreement with a single Cardassian officer.

An agreement that subsequently proved to be worthless.
 
Oh, plenty! Even during the height of the Dominion War stuff you had "In the Cards,", an absurdist comedy about Jake trying to buy a Willie Mays baseball card; "You are Cordially Invited," a wedding episode; a mirror universe episode in each season; "Who Mourns for Morn," "Far Beyond the Stars" which was basically DS9's "The Inner Light," "One Little Ship" which was a Honey I shrunk the kids type deal; "His Way" a holosuite episode about a reimagined 60s Las Vegas lounge act; "The Sound of her Voice" "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" where they played baseball against the Vulcans, "Badda Bing Badda Bang" a heist plot set up in the Vegas holosuite program, etc. There were lots of episodes that were diversions from the main story arc. Of course they had 30ish episodes a year to do it with.
The HEAVILY serialized runs: Time to Stand ---> Sacrifice of Angels and Penumbra --> What We Left Behind.
 
I don't think Picard possessed the authority to modify the treaty. Instead what happen was Picard worked out a entirely separate verbal agreement with a single Cardassian officer.

An agreement that subsequently proved to be worthless.

That's not correct. At least Cal Hudson seems to think that the effort to supplant Federation colonies was a violation of the treaty, not a side agreement.
 
Not always. It depends on the leader.
I could be more precise in what I wrote, but more often than not, the main character who is a military leader does portray dedication to duty and to those s/he commands. Picard is someone, though, who is likely to question authority by reason of his conscience rather than adhere strictly to orders. He is much more like Colonel Dax in Paths of Glory, and his superiors are more like General Mireau.
 
What are they about? Please enlighten me. But notice that I prefer traditional SF like Star Trek and Star Wars. I also like good criminalseries like CSI and NCIS or an exceiting Western.

Well, these aren't exactly that. The Arrowverse shows are all based on DC comics, so what SF there is isn't all that grounded. Supergirl is kinda square, but in a good way. Tonally, it's somewhere in the neigborhood of Hercules:The Legendary Journeys, I guess.

Legends is kinda nuts. A bunch of B-list superheroes and whatnot are chosen for a Very Important Mission, mostly because they're insignificant enougj to not upset the timeline if they just disappeared. They end up in possession of a timeship, which they use to repair history or break it worse, depending on the episode. Think Doctor Who with 500% more ass-kicking and 200% more bisexuality. It's also been described as "what would happen if the gang from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia got their hands on a time machine."
 
The HEAVILY serialized runs: Time to Stand ---> Sacrifice of Angels and Penumbra --> What We Left Behind.

Well, if you deliberately define the runs as the specific groupings of episodes which had the most consecutive darkness, it becomes pretty easy to prove they didn't have light in between them. Doesn't make it a legitimate argument, though.

Also, that first run is only six episodes long and while the second is technically ten I'd argue What You Leave Behind part 2 is a highly uplifting farewell to the series which isn't really about capping the previous nine episodes at all, so it's very much serialized but also simultaneously a release from the darkness that came before it.
 
Well, if you deliberately define the runs as the specific groupings of episodes which had the most consecutive darkness, it becomes pretty easy to prove they didn't have light in between them. Doesn't make it a legitimate argument, though.
And I do so with good reason: they are telling singular stories, not unlike what we are seeing in Picard. Yes, there are elements of serialization in all episodes, especially after The Jem'hadar, they were not planned as continuous stories. Rather elements of previous episodes were used to plan new stories.
 
And I do so with good reason: they are telling singular stories, not unlike what we are seeing in Picard. Yes, there are elements of serialization in all episodes, especially after The Jem'hadar, they were not planned as continuous stories. Rather elements of previous episodes were used to plan new stories.

DS9 also did longer stories that weren't all stacked up in compact episode runs with no breaks. It's hardly impossible. And it's hardly shocking that people who dislike that sort of thing would be able to enjoy DS9 regardless since it lasted 7 years and only did this twice, the first time fairly short.

I don't think there's any legitimate reason to call Picard bad for telling a story this way, and I like Picard a lot so far, but it's perfectly legitimate for people to just not like this type of storytelling and prefer DS9, which did it much less.
 
Well, these aren't exactly that. The Arrowverse shows are all based on DC comics, so what SF there is isn't all that grounded. Supergirl is kinda square, but in a good way. Tonally, it's somewhere in the neigborhood of Hercules:The Legendary Journeys, I guess.

Legends is kinda nuts. A bunch of B-list superheroes and whatnot are chosen for a Very Important Mission, mostly because they're insignificant enougj to not upset the timeline if they just disappeared. They end up in possession of a timeship, which they use to repair history or break it worse, depending on the episode. Think Doctor Who with 500% more ass-kicking and 200% more bisexuality. It's also been described as "what would happen if the gang from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia got their hands on a time machine."

Honestly, I don't know if that's what I'm looking for. As for sword-waving people, I actually liked "Xena Warrior Princess" but it was also made in another era than this boring century.

If I want to watch some sort of humor series, there's always "The Orville". Not my absolute favorite series but somewhat funny to watch and much better than boring "Discovery".
 
It's Lynx. You get use to it, in all honesty. With due credit to them they know what they like and prefer it. So, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that jazz.

I know, it's just really weird to see someone praise Voyager given how vigorously people bashed it back in the day
 
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