A Yesterday’s Enterprise movie

[Roboturner913]

I was just reading something that Ronald Moore said about how if the Yesterday’s Enterprise episode had not been made, it would have been the basic plot for Generations. With of course the Enterprise A and it’s crew taking the place of the E-C.

Seems like a pretty killer idea. Although I can’t imagine audiences would accept the TOS cast just going off to their deaths. Kirk alone maybe, but everybody else would have to be saved somehow.

I’m not very imaginative, so I’m wondering how everybody here would write the ending or other cool/memorable scenes.

 

[thribs]

They would probably switch it so the Enterprise has to win in order to get the correct timeline, and the Enterprise D would go back to help them defeat the villains. It would be like a self fulfilling prophecy. Like First Contact.

 

[Maurice]

"Would have" or "could have"? {{citation needed}}

 

[Khan 2.0]

Would keep YE in TNG s3 as that ep was instrumental in TNGs popularity/acceptance .. but for VII/Gen they should've adapted it like the way TMP adapted The Changeling/Immunity/Doomsday or TVH did Tomorrow is Yesterday/Assignment Earth or even TFF with Way to Eden.

So maybe the Ent D going back to the Ent A era (so no need for altered timeline version of TNG) or maybe the Ent A (or B) in the 24th but no altered timeline (probably the later as you'd want it all in the 24th century as it'd be TNGs first film).. with the romulans there as the threat (instead of a Klingon war) as well as a khan like villain (maybe McDowell still there as Soran behind the time travel/nexus stuff) and obvious stuff that fans would've gone cray over like Kirk on the Ent D (at some point taking the chair, and butting heads with Picard in the ready room etc tying into all the 'Kirk v Picard' stuff that was going on at the time), Riker/Geordie on the Ent A doing repairs with Scotty (again), Bones interacting with Crusher & Data (again), Kirk flirting with Troi ('omg you're a empath!?') and a 'I knew your grandfather' scene with Worf, and old TNG spock encountering Kirk again after 80 years (maybe Spock & scotty wouldn't be on the previous Enterprise, and spock could be like the Guinan role from YE - and maybe has to mindmeld with Guinan to unlock the key to solving the dilemma and merge the 'generations' or something), and a similar YE style finale of the 2 Ents facing down a romulan fleet ending with Kirk alone on the bridge of either Enterprise sacrificing himself to literally save TNG (end of TWOK meets start of ST09 and that would call back to the past : spocks needs of the many outweigh the one/kobiashi a no win scenario/'i'll die alone' campfire)

 

[Vger23]

And I'm sure if "Best of Both Worlds" hadn't been made, they would have run with that rather than FC.

But it was, so they didn't.

 

[Roboturner913]

"Would have" or "could have"? {{citation needed}}

This is a message board, not a research paper. And I don't remember. It's just something I read in passing. If you need to find it, you have the google machine just like everybody else, I'm sure.

 

[Maurice]

This is a message board, not a research paper. And I don't remember. It's just something I read in passing. If you need to find it, you have the google machine just like everybody else, I'm sure.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

And misquote thy name is Fandom.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I read the same article recently. Thank goodness the episode was made. If there could be anything more stupid than killing Kirk, it would be killing the entire original crew. The idea of a similar plot, where the E-A survives and starts a new era of Klingon/Human relations in the original timeline would be tremendous. You could see the two ships fighting side by side in the future, and then Kirk get a few upgrades in a final battle in his time. You could even have future Spock, McCoy and Scotty somehow in the movie on both sides.

 

[Dukhat]

The one thing I remember is watching the trailer for Generations before the movie came out, and thinking, "Hey, both crews are going to be fighting side-by-side just like in Yesterday's Enterprise!" Why did I think this? Because that trailer was a perfect example of taking scenes completely out of context in order to create a false dramatic that had nothing to do with the actual plot of the movie. ENT was also guilty of this many times with their episode trailers.

 

[Roboturner913]

I read the same article recently. Thank goodness the episode was made. If there could be anything more stupid than killing Kirk, it would be killing the entire original crew. The idea of a similar plot, where the E-A survives and starts a new era of Klingon/Human relations in the original timeline would be tremendous. You could see the two ships fighting side by side in the future, and then Kirk get a few upgrades in a final battle in his time. You could even have future Spock, McCoy and Scotty somehow in the movie on both sides.

Yeah, the original crew would have to survive somehow. Would be too much of a downer otherwise.
The most likely scenario I can think of, seeing as how they were apparently set on killing Kirk and the E-D anyway, would have the E-D going down pretty much as it did in Generations, then everybody on the E-A evacuates down to the planet, and Kirk stays on the E-A, goes back through the time rift and sacrifices it and himself to kill all the Romulans and save everybody on the planet. Would've been a fitting and worthy death for him as opposed to how Generations ended it.
Then you have, I don't know, temporal specialists or whatever come in and resettle the E-A crew in the current time, or time travel them back where they came from or something. But they'd have to survive for sure, since Scotty/McCoy/Spock all show up during TNG.

 

[Tenacity]

Picard convincing Kirk to return to the 23rd century, and he and his crews certain death.

That would be one way of "passing the torch."

 

[Lance]

You know, I'm gonna say something that may be controversial, but I don't think "Yesterday's Enterprise" would be appropriate to introduce the TNG crew to the big screen. You can't forget that the movies also have to appeal to an audience that may not be intimate with the tv shows -- the movies have always had a potentially bigger casual audience and to this day I still meet people whose only exposure to Star Trek are the movies and who have barely seen TV Trek (if at all). So, I don't think falling into darker versions of the characters, if you don't know the lighter versions, is a particularly good way to bump that crew to the big screen.

Now, "The Best of Both Worlds"? Absolutely.

 

[Danlav05]

What if Yesterday's Enterprise WAS a movie? Inspired by a fan trailer on YouTube i tried it:

https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/star-trek-days-of-future-past-fan-editors-notes/

 

[Khan 2.0]

What if Yesterday's Enterprise WAS a movie? Inspired by a fan trailer on YouTube i tried it:

https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/star-trek-days-of-future-past-fan-editors-notes/

Awesome poster people would've been falling over in shock had that been 'coming soon' in cinema lobbys back in 94

 

[Kirk Prime]

That would be one way of "passing the torch."

The worst possible way. They should be able to pass the torch without killing the torchbearer.

Passing the torch right, like say, Star Trek VI, is terrific. Passing the torch wrong, like in Generations, creates bitterness. It has to be done in a way that doesn't slap the original fans in the face.

Good examples are Cobra Kai, Dallas TNT, Girl Meets World, Fuller House, all honoring the past while moving toward the future in their respective genres. Star Trek could have done that. It didn't.

You know, I'm gonna say something that may be controversial, but I don't think "Yesterday's Enterprise" would be appropriate to introduce the TNG crew to the big screen. You can't forget that the movies also have to appeal to an audience that may not be intimate with the tv shows -- the movies have always had a potentially bigger casual audience and to this day I still meet people whose only exposure to Star Trek are the movies and who have barely seen TV Trek (if at all). So, I don't think falling into darker versions of the characters, if you don't know the lighter versions, is a particularly good way to bump that crew to the big screen.

Now, "The Best of Both Worlds"? Absolutely.

That's a fair point actually--you would have to have this crossover/torch passing in a way that introduces TNG to the 5 or 6 people who see the movie that didn't know them. Given the movie nature though, I do agree we would want to see the characters as they are, and not alternate versions. So maybe this story wouldn't work as a movie as it was done. The concept would work, where something requires both crews to solve a big problem, but maybe no deaths and no timeline changes (or if there are, it would have to be for a short period only).

 

[Danlav05]

Awesome poster people would've been falling over in shock had that been 'coming soon' in cinema lobbys back in 94

designed by DeviantArt's very talented PNZS

 

[suarezguy]

The idea definitely sounds cool, a full-blown crossover with epic stakes, but, yes, killing off, even in a heroic blaze of glory, the entire original cast would have probably been at least as controversial and rejected-by-many as Generations ultimately was (really hard to have two crews/casts and not have one seem ill-served) and also having the first TNG film be alternate-reality and with a reset button would have also been disappointing and probably a bad start to an attempted film series.

Part of what makes "Yesterday's Enterprise" work as an episode is the coolness that it both brings in the before-ignored Enterprise-C and brings back Yar and makes them both really significant-and that their story is then unknown, aside from to the viewers, is poignant in a 45 minute, 1 of 26 a year, episode rather than disappointing as it would be in a 3-years-later movie.

 

[Lance]

That's a fair point actually--you would have to have this crossover/torch passing in a way that introduces TNG to the 5 or 6 people who see the movie that didn't know them. Given the movie nature though, I do agree we would want to see the characters as they are, and not alternate versions. So maybe this story wouldn't work as a movie as it was done. The concept would work, where something requires both crews to solve a big problem, but maybe no deaths and no timeline changes (or if there are, it would have to be for a short period only).

Maybe do a "Parallels", and phase in the changes gradually to show the stakes changing in front of our eyes piece by little piece. Our first indication things have really gone awry being Picard walking onto the bridge and asking for a report, camera pans to security where Worf no longer stands.

 

[Workbee]

Maybe do a "Parallels", and phase in the changes gradually to show the stakes changing in front of our eyes piece by little piece. Our first indication things have really gone awry being Picard walking onto the bridge and asking for a report, camera pans to security where Worf no longer stands.

Perhaps, but if the premise needs to be put through all these contortions just so it can work on the big screen, they were probably better off starting from scratch to do something original. Not being able to (re)use Generations wasn’t the reason it was so mediocre - it was because the Moore and Braga were spread so thin with also writing All Good Things and launching Voyager, and we’re not strong or confident enough to push back on studio interference. I think any story premise used in that situation, including YE, would have yielded an underwhelming film. There was just too much going on at the same time, with too much scrutiny and oversight because it was first non-TOS film.

YE could really only do the things it did because it was just one episode of a season, and the Ent-C crew and ship were entirely dispensable with no ties to particular actors outside of the series regulars (and Crosby) Take those away and you have a very watered down crossover.

 

[Khan 2.0]

another way of doing a YE film would've been at the end of ST09 the JJprise gets sucked into the black hole comes out the otherside and sees the Enterprise E monitoring the anomaly (as in last page of Countdown, and also similar to end of DISCO s1). Patrick Stewart comes up on the viewscreen. the end. then in ST2 (May 2011) its the JJcrew in an altered wartorn 24th century under threat from the Romulans or the Borg instead of the Klingons due to Nero changing stuff - at first the new advanced JJprise is seen as a way of turning the war then ultimately its decided it needs to go back to its own timeline to set things right so have to locate some more red matter. with some of the TNG cast but maybe not all of them (and 7of9 of course), plus Nimoy at the end still in the 23rd century kelvinverse (so in addition to YE also similar to IDWs Last Generation and that recent one off issue.. also be similar what XMen Days of Future Past was to First Class in bringing back the old cast to mix with the new for the 2nd film).. then ST3 (in 2013/14) could've been Into Darkness and ST4 (2016) maybe Beyond or something better