Sigh... this thread... I won't lose sleep if it's locked.
How was the anaphasic lifeform from Sub Rosa a bad guy?
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That's sounds like an expression of violation to me, especially the way she said itCrusher said:
It's fair to point out that there's an edited out line from the original script & even looks to be cut from the production as wellCrusher said:
So then "Happy"? or sedated? How is that any different than forcing impairment, like drunkenness, in order to make someone "Happy" about having no control over being used? Even without that line in the final cut, it's pretty evident that Beverly is not behaving like herself, under his influence, which is physiologically & probably psychological intrusive.Crusher said:
It's almost exactly the same situation as Troi had in Man Of The People, minus the life draining murder part. So Ronin isn't quite a murderer, yet (Attempted on LaForge) but just as guilty of every other kind of abuse to Bev as Ves Alkar perpetrated against Deanna... except he somehow made them feel good about it, which doesn't make it better, or excuse it.
Maybe I'll watch the episode again soon.
I probably have forgotten a lot if not most of the dialogue. Seeing Beverly writhing around in a sexual fantasy, aside from making one throw up in their mouth seems to make me at least, want to forget most of the rest of the episode.
Some of the comments make me think of that Tripe, '50 Shades of Gray'
It's hot because the guy has a penthouse apartment, is rich, has s private helicopter etc.
Not so hot I guess if he pumped gas at the station down the street, and lived in a mobile home.
Betcha the book would have sold very many copies
I probably have forgotten a lot if not most of the dialogue. Seeing Beverly writhing around in a sexual fantasy, aside from making one throw up in their mouth seems to make me at least, want to forget most of the rest of the episode.
Some of the comments make me think of that Tripe, '50 Shades of Gray'
It's hot because the guy has a penthouse apartment, is rich, has s private helicopter etc.
Not so hot I guess if he pumped gas at the station down the street, and lived in a mobile home.
Betcha the book would have sold very many copies
It's been awhile since I saw the ep but I forgot why the alien was trapped in the candle lamp thing. Was his need to connect to the Howard women essential to his survival in some way? We are talking about a non-humanoid alien that only takes human form so I am not exactly sure what exactly makes such a lifeform tick. I do recall that if the thingy he went out he would die so we are talking about him having a motive beyond love to make sure they keep that thingy continuing to operate. He might be more like a parasite type of creature when you think about it.
Jason
Jason
That's sad.
We're just having a discussion.
How much is there to discuss when rape is categorized as romance?
Her lily hand her rosy cheek lies under,
Cozening the pillow of a lawful kiss;
Who, therefore angry, seems to part in sunder,
Swelling on either side to want his bliss;
Between whose hills her head entombed is;
Where like a virtuous monument she lies,
To be admired of lewd unhallowed eyes.
Robin was with the Howard family since the 1500's.
That's sort of how I see it too. I'd never have categorized it as rape, not because it is any less egregious, but because it is not a power dynamic masquerading in a sexual context, like real rape. It's misdiagnosing. It's certainly abuse, & for those who consider Picard's trip to Kataan a mind rape, then this sort of fits that category as well, in that there's a mind control, which uses loving emotions to achieve its result, & there's definitely a sexual gratification aspect being used for a carrot, but to define it at its most basic plot function, it's just another Star Trek creature feeding on humanoids
Kind of amazing how many of those there are, & how varied they are. The cellular peptide buggers in Phantasms, the interphasic time travelers in Time's Arrow, the Man Of The People guy, The neck buggers in Conspiracy, this Sub Rosa guy, & even the Borg really. Everybody wants a piece of us. Geez... I'm probably forgetting a lot
In fact.... The heck with this thread. That's the topic I want to make
I've always wondered about Beverly's mom. This alien attached it to her grandma but never went after her mom? I wonder why that was the case. Why didn't anyone notice that grandma sure does like getting orgasms alot all the time. Maybe we should ask her what's up. Does she have to keep doing it at the dinner table.
Jason
Jason
This. This is the key. I was trying my best to show that "manipulate" is too broad a term. Advertisers manipulate people to buy their product. Movies manipulate emotions to sell their story. The perfume, hygiene, and nice car are acceptable forms of manipulation that are more in the realm of advertising.
Manipulating another person via psionic means is much more equal to using chemicals to manipulate another individuals mind than it is to using good hygiene and a fancy car.
Does it? I'll have to watch again as it's been a couple of years. I keep thinking that was one of the times Kirk was able to resist the manipulations. Maybe I'm getting confused with TNG's "The Perfect Gift" which is basically the same plot.
grandma wouldn't have wanted to surrender the candle to her daughter.
Yep, granny only gave the candle away because she happened to have died.
Sounds like having Ronin kept her going for a long time!
Isn't 100 years an unusually low lifespan for a 24th century human?
Is it? The very first scene where Ronan interacts with Crusher is one where he incorporeally/telekinetically pulls down her nightgown and fondles her (she says later she felt hands moving across her skin). Imagine an ordinary human being sneaking up on a sleeping woman he's never met and just starting to pull off her clothes and grope her. Wouldn't you call that sexual assault? The law certainly does. The only reason Crusher didn't feel assaulted is because she assumed it was a dream. Sure, what Ronan did later was mental manipulation, sure, but his very first interaction with Crusher was a blatant physical assault under cover of invisibility.
So Beverly's mother died before Nana. Perhaps, living in such an old-fashioned Irish community, it just might have been considered 'bad form' by Nana had he abandoned her to go after her daughter ....
EDIT: Scottish, sorry
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Wait so Beverly Crusher grew up on that "Faux 19th century Scotland" colony world?
Seems like that should have come up sooner than Season 7 and should have influenced her character a bit more.
Seems like that should have come up sooner than Season 7 and should have influenced her character a bit more.
I agree with Christopher about this. Ronan was a creep. He could have got his plasma power fix in any number of ways (including the colony's weather system) and still he chose to go after the Howard women for sport. For generations. That's serial.
