Mediocre defines orville for me.
Picard: "Just Like Other Sci-Fi"
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Orville is better Star Trek than Picard or Discovery. It's not top level Sci-fi or fantasy type shows at all in any way today. But it's way better at being Star Trek. Season 2 of Orville showed promise of being a top level sci-fi show if it continues. I think season one was mostly mediocre but it hit the itch if you are a star trek fan. If you want better sci fi I can give you probably about 5 or 6 shows off the top of my head that have come out the last few years that are miles better than Picard/Discover. And dozens from the last 15-20 years that hold up way better than Picard and Discovery.
Agree to disagree since we don't even agree on what makes Star Trek.
Indeed: I do disagree with picking and choosing actions and bits of dialogue from a scene to support a false narrative, when in context with the rest of said scenes they do nothing of the sort.
Orville is fine. It does well when it comes to some of the interpersonal stuff, but can be shallow tackling particular issues and can be a little self-congratulatory.
Star Trek is a future liberal society where we have gotten over all the modern human problems like racism, sexism, drugs, or any other issues with scarcity of things because we are way too advanced for those. And this was written in a time believe it or not where all those things were bigger problems than today and the world was even more political than it is today. That's why you had most of the problems in TOS and TNG era not about how people with each other but what others did to the people. And it always used aliens for the allegories for modern humanity. This is just trying to say that version of Star Trek never really existed.
I don't do the comparison game. Orville was ok at first. Then it just left character moments behind. Didn't engage me further. So, I stopped watching.
I'm sure others enjoy it. Doesn't make it for me.
Yup, disagree.
Have you really thought about this? I suspect that there are a bunch of people compiling a list of episodes that contradict this statement.
I'm sure there's episodes where there are people that go against this statement in general but if you look at a bulk of it overall what TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9 were about it's mostly about humanity being past all of the modern issues and using the aliens as the allegories for modern humanity. Enterprise I saw way less of than the others because it was not as good and really offensive at times the first couple of times and really didn't do a service to most of the Star Trek aliens at all but it's problems are way less than STP/STD's are.
agreed
oh boy, no, that's just not true
obviously not. that's why all those things still appeared on Star Trek
yeah, I need a source for that.
doubtful. It was more or less as political as today.
maybe in the early TNG seasons, certainly not in TOS
despite the fact, that PIC does that too, 'always' is a strong word. let's settle on 'often'
yeah, that version of Star Trek never really existed indeed
Like McCoy disparaging Spock for being a Vulcan in most episodes?
Doesn't make it less Star Trek.
It's pretty much for people that hate Star Trek. I found most of the people that like these new shows hated Star Trek of old.
Those people can speak for themselves. They don't speak for me. TOS is Trek for me. The rest pales.
and where did you find that?
With that definition of Star Trek.
As a 61 year old Star Trek fan, who's been watching since the 60's, I find that hilarious.
I beg to differ. I've been a Trekkie since STAR TREK first aired on NBC, grew up on TOS reruns (back when we just called it STAR TREK), and having been writing TREK novels for more than a quarter of a century now. Pretty sure I don't hate old-school STAR TREK.
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