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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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Mileage will vary. It struck me as no worse than First Contact body horror, or the awful transporter death in TMP.

The "worst" the body horror got in FC was the guy with the amputated arm. Maybe the implant jutting out of Picard's cheek. But the eye we just see the drill press on it and that's it. (And Picard didn't even lose an eye when he was assimilated, so his dream was obviously going to a weird place in his subconscious.)

The transporter scene in TMP? The most "horrifying" part about that were more the screams we didn't see much. The most greusome TV trek got was probably the scene in Conspiracy and, for the time, it was pretty strong and was criticized at the time and felt to be too much for TV.

Today, for me, it looks kind of hokey but we can argue the "gruesomeness" in it is justified because it was a villain being killed to prevent the overthrow of Earth and our characters carrying it out seemed just as disturbed by doing it as the audience was watching it. Here, we see a character taking pleasure in carrying out a much more realistically and graphically portrayed virtual vivisection scene, doing it to an innocent character, and the scene itself more for the shock value of it.

I mean, would it really have changed things if we saw her going after Icheb with some kind of device asking about his implants and then we see her lunge at him and then we just hear some sounds, cut to Seven coming and to find his bloodied body and then giving him the mercy kill? Did we need to see the eye-gouge in such damn graphic detail?

You know, I've started rewatching Voyager on DVD this week, I've not watched through this series... In a long assed time. Many of these episodes I've completely forgotten. There's episodes I've been skipping because I *do* remember them, or the summaries of them just seem like a boring episode I don't care about. (Anything to do with Kazon, no thanks!) And... I think at this point I'm enjoying it more than I am Picard. I'm about half way into Season 2 and I know there's a long way to go but I'm just liking it more. And, really, I don't like Voyager that much.

I'm fully aware of all the problems this series has and I've got a bunch of them myself, but at least I can watch this and be entertained and like the people I'm watching and not ask myself why am I putting myself through all of this.

With Picard? The only reason why I'm watching is for Stewart/Picard and, really, even he's not giving me a whole lot since he doesn't even always act or feel like Picard. The Picard in my mind I can't see doing this flamboyant French act as part of an undercover operation. Didn't we see Picard carry out undercover operations several times and manage to do it by not coming across as a caricature that wouldn't fool anyone?

I'm done with this series. I'll keep watching and not a "hate watch" but more of a "I've gone this far... And, well, Patrick Stewart-watch."

As I said, every aspect of this series is just ugly.

Not everything necessarily need be bright and cherry like it was on TNG or, well, Voyager but does everything in it need to look like something out of Blade Runner or pretty much every other Sci-Fi series out there?

Characters need not always be "perfect" behaving and admittedly kind of assholes about it like in TNG but does everything then have to be cynical with characters acting with angst and hostility?

There IS a middle ground.
 
Honestly, back when it was on the air, I had a conversation with a guy who watched Voyager every week. He was telling me that his favorite character was "the bald chick". It took me a while to realize he was talking about B'elanna.
My parents, who have been exposed to Trek through me but haven't seen a single solid episode of it, know Picard, Data, Spock, and Kirk by name but can't tell Star Wars and Star Trek apart and refer to Worf as "the one with the forehead".
 
The reboot movies were subject to diminishing returns and have already largely been forgotten in a pop cultural landscape that movies faster and faster every day. Not a day goes by where there isn't a new movie, a new hit show, a new nostalgia-baiting reboot...

Picard won't get much of a foothold for much of the same reason. It's frankly not good enough to cut through the noise.

The nostalgia factor is high, but the quality isn't high enough to truly make a lasting impact.
You're moving the goalposts...
You started with the premise that TOS was no longer significant.
I've pointed out two major examples of why that thought process is incorrect.

Then you countered with Fan's only buying the merchandise (but still in such massive quantities that seems to reject that premise) and the "JJ Movies" being distant memories.
Which BTW, is inconsequential to the fact that the actual Characters used in them are quite substantial and significant to modern society and are from The Original Series.
 
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Story isn't over yet. Of course it's one sided. That's like being mad at Empire Strikes Back for being not happy enough.

These are TV episodes across a season. It's perfectly fine to judge the show as it goes.

It doesn't matter how "good" the ending is if the journey to get there is miserable.
 
Honestly, back when it was on the air, I had a conversation with a guy who watched Voyager every week. He was telling me that his favorite character was "the bald chick". It took me a while to realize he was talking about B'elanna.

I didn't need a Seven so long as there was a B'Elanna.
 
Your moving the goalposts...
You started with the premise that TOS was no longer significant.
I've pointed out two major examples of why that thought process is incorrect.

Then you countered with Fan's only buying the merchandise (but still in massive quantities that seems to reject that premise) and the "JJ Movies" being distant memories.
Which BTW, is inconsequential to the fact that the actual Characters used in them are quite substantial and significant to modern society.

I'm not moving goal posts. My point was always that the "general public" considers TNG the default Trek, not Trek BBSers who buy Constitution class ships from the Franklin mint.
 
These are TV episodes across a season. It's perfectly fine to judge the show as it goes.

It doesn't matter how "good" the ending is if the journey to get there is miserable.

Someone could kick you in the nuts on a Trip from New York to Disneyland, you'd get there and they'd say, "See! We're here! Isn't this great?!" And you'd be like, "Yeah, but the journey wasn't worth it."
 
I'm not moving goal posts. My point was always that the "general public" considers TNG the default Trek, not Trek BBSers who buy Constitution class ships from the Franklin mint.

Speaking in very board generalities
Baby Boomers --> TOS is "default" Star Trek
Older Generation X --> TOS and TNG are "default" Star Trek
Younger Generation X --> TNG is "default" Star Trek
Older Millennials --> TNG is still "default" Star Trek
Younger Millennials --> They became Whovians instead of Trekkies
 
I don't even get this complaint with Discovery: each season has shown the characters reaffirming their values and sacrificing themselves to preserve the world they believe in. Technically speaking, DS9 is still darker, perhaps the darkest, Star Trek.

I can't speak for Discovery but it could just be a "the book doesn't match the cover" kind of thing.

Like I said with the Seven/Picard thing. There's a nice and touching scene with them talking and both saying how they struggle every day to regain all of their humanity after being assimilated. Which is nice and touching moment.

Then Seven beams over, says she just said that to placate Picard and vaporizes a woman. So, that last action sort of undoes the previous one. It feels as if the optimism bits are immediately undone by anti-optimism bits and those anti-bits seemed to be turned up a notch for the shock value of it.
 
Imagine the reaction to a series about Gov Kodos's failed colony and escape. That's the kind of stuff this show is dealing with. It seems some folks would rather have the awfulness of the Trek universe sanitized like the war between Emeniar and Vendikar.
Thats how it is coming across that everything must be sanitized, heroes are good and never make mistakes, death is sugar coated and consequences are nice and neat.
 
Imagine the reaction to a series about Gov Kodos's failed colony and escape. That's the kind of stuff this show is dealing with. It seems some folks would rather have the awfulness of the Trek universe sanitized like the war between Emeniar and Vendikar.
Thats how it is coming across that everything must be sanitized, heroes are good and never make mistakes, death is sugar coated and consequences are nice and neat.
 
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