Picard: "Just Like Other Sci-Fi"

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

I for one have loved seeing the flawed characters of Picard, including Picard himself. It is more interesting to watch them and have their personal demons haunt them instead of getting over it in the span of an episode.

Very much agree on this, i really find new Picard to be interesting and great Trek!

Would you rather watch Neelix and Harry Kim? Or Mayweather and Hoshi?

.... Neelix was kind of complex with layers and i often liked him, and Mayweather, sure i agree, in all of trek especially Mayweather was... whats the word.. invisible?
But you just cant talk like THAT ABOUT HOSHI AND HARRY KIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[MrPointy]

I'm curious to see how Picard sticks its ending, because the show is framing JLP as seeming like an out of touch relic to his ragtag crew, people around him and, well, Starfleet. I'm guessing he'll be proven right in some form and Starfleet will have their reckoning.

Though it is weird that Discovery S3 is kind of doing the same thing.

 

[urbandk]

Remember when they finally gave mayweather a story line in S4? That was a shock.

 

[MrPointy]

Remember when they finally gave mayweather a story line in S4? That was a shock.

What's a Mayweather?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Who?

 

[XCV330]

cant remember. I think his mom and dad flew the ECS Horizon way back when.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Who?

I think he was Voyager's Maquis First Officer or someone like that

 

[Boris Skrbic]

One thing I’d have changed is to continue the VGR storylines involving sentient holograms as opposed to synthetics, especially since nBSG had already done the Cylon attack. ST had even established the use of holograms for manual labor, so why not proceed in that vein with reverse-engineering of the mobile emitter or even creating physical bodies a hologram could slip into? It’s nice that holograms are still being acknowledged, but they should’ve been front and center to distinguish the show a bit from other franchises out there.

 

[Hythlodeus]

One thing I’d have changed is to continue the VGR storylines involving sentient holograms as opposed to synthetics, especially since nBSG had already done the Cylon attack. ST had even established the use of holograms for manual labor, so why not proceed in that vein with reverse-engineering of the mobile emitter or even creating physical bodies a hologram could slip into? It’s nice that holograms are still being acknowledged, but they should’ve been front and center to distinguish the show a bit from other franchises out there.

a) Picard had no personal relation to a hologram the way he had a relation to Data.
b) It's VOY, can we please move on?

 

[Dale Sams]

I saw TOS eps in first run.

I really dislike DISCO but I love PICARD. I Guess thats all i had to say other than the following have never been valid criticisms:

"Its not Trek"...."Roddenberrys vision blah blah blah"...and finally specific to PIC, "This isn't the Federation I know"

I can give you a billion examples that show 'The Federation you know is from the POV of a handful of officers who served on the USS USO Tour-D'

and from everyone elses POV the Federation was a place where everyone is happy as long as they are well fed and nothing goes wrong.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I saw TOS eps in first run.

I really dislike DISCO but I love PICARD. I Guess thats all i had to say other than the following have never been valid criticisms:

"Its not Trek"...."Roddenberrys vision blah blah blah"...and finally specific to PIC, "This isn't the Federation I know"

I can give you a billion examples that show 'The Federation you know is from the POV of a handful of officers who served on the USS USO Tour-D'

and from everyone elses POV the Federation was a place where everyone is happy as long as they are well fed and nothing goes wrong.

To quote the Emissary himself: "Do you know what the trouble is? The trouble is Earth. On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. It's easy to be a saint in paradise."

 

[Relayer1]

I love Trek in all of it's TV versions, even Voyager, but part of that love is awareness that they were of their time. I liked The Orville initially but the TNG approach that is pretty well reproduced very quickly got on my nerves. I'd hate start to dislike an actual Trek series the way I have that show.

I'm loving both Discovery and Picard and see no real disconnect between them and the earlier shows, certainly no more than between TOS and TNG.

The shows are a little darker and obviously more serialised, and thus more contemporary in style - this actually positions them somewhat closer to DS9 which has proven itself to be both ahead of it's time and the crowning achievement of the second wave of Trek.

As a Niner the new shows are just fine by me so far. I'm concerned by the comedy and animated offerings being mooted, but that's another topic.

 

[Blip]

I've no problem with seeing the gritty underbelly of the Federation or its fringes, or the less than saintly folk who occupy it (Personally I always wanted VOY to go in a more realistic direction instead of UPN's preferred "TNG-lite but with added explosions", but I digress...). I'd love to see a 2390s example of some of the border colonies we used to see in TNG, but I expect the closest we'll get is Vashti.

My only issue with STP so far has been around the instances of either ineptitude or sheer laziness, both in terms of writing and production design. It's what keeps giving off that "generic scifi" vibe so many have picked up on.

For the most part I'm still enjoying it though, and I like the main characters (would love more Laris & Zhaban!), though I admit I'm regarding the overall plot with a wary eye... In the meantime, the more the show does to piss off the white supremacist little manlets, the better.

 

[Alan Roi]

Each new generation considers itself superior to the last and tends to look down its nose at the previous one once it gets the chance to make its own mark.

What we've been seeing with the new generation of shows is very similar to how the Berman Era treated TOS. Characters were written to make modern interpretations of the time superior and previous interpretations inferior. Fans who consider the Berman Era to be the defining era of the show are understandably infuriated that they are getting the treatment their heroes got to lay on TOS.

Tough break guys. Your Trek is now the 'old generation' and its going to be treated as such. Just like in the 90s the past is there to serve the present, not the other way around.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Actually it‘s wrong to look at this as Berman vs Kurtzman, old vs new. The real discussion should be on whether PIC is so well-written and produced it can move the franchise forward in a major way, competing with the best of today’s television, or whether it remains yet another streaming special for those in the know.

 

[Alan Roi]

Actually it‘s wrong to look at this as Berman vs Kurtzman, old vs new. The real discussion should be on whether PIC is so well-written and produced it can move the franchise forward in a major way, competing with the best of today’s television, or whether it remains yet another streaming special for those in the know.

It's not going to be the next Game of Thrones, but it will help move the franchise forward along with DISCO and the other show. But it won't be as dominant as TNG and the Berman shows were, simple because there are too many space shows to compete with and on the way, and there are too many holdover fans of the Berman Era who think that their Star Trek is the definitive Star Trek and will continue to raise a stink as long as they enjoy being outraged that they are the old foggies now.

Seriously, there are 14 space scifi series currently running, and while some are headed for their final season, there are another 9 queuing up.

 

[ITDUDE]

Never had issue with strong women in Star Trek. Janeway is second best captain in all of Star Trek (yeah, behind Picard, ahead of Kirk and co)
Georgiou is good in Discovery (prime and mirror). I do dump on Discovery because they can’t write a good story and direction of the show that flipped 4 times in two years. Definitely not because Boringham is main character.
I welcome Section 31 series and any series with Seven in the lead. Just give me good writing damn it. That’s all I ask for.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

What's a Mayweather?

I think it's that ship that brought the pilgrims to america.

 

[Gonzo]

What's a Mayweather?

I think it was that guy on Voyager who was destined to be an ensign forever.

 

[Cake]

Through five episodes, I have been reading a lot of the same complaints about Picard, that it is too negative, too much like a lot of current sci-fi that is negative for the sake of being negative, that this was "not their Trek."

It is not like this critique comes out of the blue. PIC clearly goes the dark and depressive, the future sucks route. Picard, Raffi, Rios, Jurati, Seven, etc. expressed their disappointment about the Federation and Starfleet at one point or another. It is far from being a nice future they show. There are big lawless regions, a lot of people live in poverty, racism is blatant, there is a big nasty conspiracy and the government is involved in it, and so on and so forth. The tone of Star Trek definitely changed in the last years from an overall optimistic one to a cynical one.