Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

[Yistaan]

Well, if they go that route, they can spend the further Picard seasons to clean up that mess and everything would return to more or less status quo by the end. I don't think they'd realistically paint Discovery into a corner by depicting the fall of the Federation in a different series.

Discovery won't be painted into a corner. They'll go back and change time and stop Picard from destroying the Federation. Then Picard will die when Patrick quits the show, and Discovery continues in the 25th century while taking on the La Sirena gang, merging the shows.

It might be better this way rather than writing Trek itself into a corner with whatever fate Discovery S3 shows.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Better episode than last week, gave Jeri Ryan a chance to stretch her metaphorical legs.
Sorry that Icheb ended his life so horribly. 20 bucks says that Gurati was the blond in the mask dissecting him.
Enjoyed all the little subplots, hope they give Elnor something to do other than loom in a confused manner.

 

[Alan Roi]

I deducted 100 points off this episode specifically because it reminded me "Voyager" existed.

Well, its kind of a rebuttal to Voyager actually, as if this was a Voyager episode it would have turned out to just be a Halloween story Neelix was telling a group of kids or some twaddle like that.

 

[Yistaan]

Well, its kind of a rebuttal to Voyager actually, as if this was a Voyager episode it would have turned out to just be a Halloween story Neelix was telling a group of kids or some twaddle like that.

If this were a Voyager episode, half the Voyager crew (who were Maquis anyway) would be hunting Bjayzl and she'd be so jumpy saying, "What? Is it the Delta Flyer after me again?"

 

[Hythlodeus]

Well, its kind of a rebuttal to Voyager actually, as if this was a Voyager episode it would have turned out to just be a Halloween story Neelix was telling a group of kids or some twaddle like that.

a group of Borg kids

 

[Alan Roi]

we already know that whatever happened in S3 of DSC will not be because of anything happening in PIC

I'm convinced that the fall of the Federation will ultimately be traced to a batch of bad wine from the poor quality of grapes harvested by Chateaux Picard in 2399 while Jean Luc wasn't around to perform his usual quality control assessments.

 

[Gonzo]

Easily, especially without being held to the "ethical and moral subroutines" that Data had

A much more balanced entity as a result that is not truly either of them.

Oh my God, reading that sentence about guaranteeing and "they are not the enemy after all," I just had the terrible feeling that the season might end with Picard defeating the Zhat Vash, and Oh/Rizzo/Narek/whoever survives will tell him with their dying breath that "by destroying us, you have doomed yourselves." The Zhat Vash will eventually turn out to have been keeping something even more evil and dangerous at bay, and Picard just inadvertently played into the hands of that evil by thwarting their plans.

Probably the big bad for season 2.

The borg are seeking perfection in the meld of biological and non-biological not the elimination of the biological. The queen offered data flesh suggesting that it would make him more perfect not less.

I am not so sure about that, I got the impression that the Borg Queen was offering Data something she knew he aspired to be, more human, that cant be the Borgs goals as they are literally taking people and adding cybernetic parts to them which is the exact opposite.

Its possible but I would expect the Borg would have been able to create a Dahj/Soji before now if they had wanted to, especially as they had Data in their hands for a time and their technology and knowledge was far more advanced, it wouldn't have been hard for them to replicate his positronic brain and as you stated we saw that they could grow and graft flesh but never did so in any of their drones or even the Queen herself.

There is no endgame that they couldn't have achieved by themselves anyway, they don't really need the synths at all.

 

[SJGardner]

Discovery won't be painted into a corner. They'll go back and change time and stop Picard from destroying the Federation. Then Picard will die when Patrick quits the show, and Discovery continues in the 25th century while taking on the La Sirena gang, merging the shows.

It might be better this way rather than writing Trek itself into a corner with whatever fate Discovery S3 shows.

Why would Star Trek be painted into a corner? Discovery takes place 7-800 years into the future from Picard's perspective. That's an awful lot of history to flesh out.

 

[Alan Roi]

a group of Borg kids

If I was a Borg kid, this storyline would freak the hell out of me.

 

[Gonzo]

Better episode than last week, gave Jeri Ryan a chance to stretch her metaphorical legs.
Sorry that Icheb ended his life so horribly. 20 bucks says that Gurati was the blond in the mask dissecting him.
Enjoyed all the little subplots, hope they give Elnor something to do other than loom in a confused manner.

Now that I like but I don't know if the dates would match with her age.

 

[Yistaan]

Why would Star Trek be painted into a corner? Discovery takes place 7-800 years into the future from Picard's perspective. That's an awful lot of history to flesh out.

Fair enough, I guess it would be like saying LOTR was painted into a corner because we know hobbits, elves and dwarves don't exist on modern Earth.

 

[Discofan]

So Icheb died a horrible death and Jurati is a psycho. I wonder why she beamed them up then... So she murdered Maddox... And now the borg cube. There are so many people out to get Soji that I don't see how she'll survive.

 

[Discofan]

Fair enough, I guess it would be like saying LOTR was painted into a corner because we know hobbits, elves and dwarves don't exist on modern Earth.

LOTR is not SCIENCE fiction.


Will we ever see Seven again, or was that a one time shot?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Why would Star Trek be painted into a corner? Discovery takes place 7-800 years into the future from Picard's perspective. That's an awful lot of history to flesh out.

It would be a nice piece of interconnectivity to have Picard during the fall of the Federation, and Discovery be about building it back up. Discovery doesn't have to go into detail on how it fell, just allude to events of 800 years previous.

 

[Jeyl]

Star Trek: Picard. Hope is dead, murder anyone you want, say any foul thing you want to, screw it all. After this episode, I felt something that I thought I'd never feel while watching a Star Trek show.

I felt depressed. This episode featured three brutal murders and two of them were committed by our heroes. Is this is becoming too much. I just don't believe that this show belongs in the same franchise that would feature our main hero shout to a godlike being declaring "I will not kill him!" For all the retconning these show runners are doing to the franchise as a whole, maybe they think Kirk did kill the Gorn captain and he just felt bad about it afterwards.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

What if Data is still alive? We're all assuming he was destroyed because it certainly looked convincing enough. But what if he was saved at the last second and hidden?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Now that I like but I don't know if the dates would match with her age.

No indication as to how long Seven as been looking for Bejazzle.

 

[Discofan]

What if Data is still alive? We're all assuming he was destroyed because it certainly looked convincing enough. But what if he was saved at the last second and hidden?

Yes, maybe he was snatched away by a caretaker who wanted to mate with him and spent all this time coming back...

 

[Gonzo]

What if Data is still alive? We're all assuming he was destroyed because it certainly looked convincing enough. But what if he was saved at the last second and hidden?

Not at all, he isn't dead until we see the body, same goes for Lore.

 

[Discofan]

No indication as to how long Seven as been looking for Bejazzle.

Well, since the death of Icheb, I guess.