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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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It seems they may just go the mind control route of Agnes after all, otherwise I don't see how her character can possibly continue without going to jail for a very long time. If so, not a fan that Vulcans can just mind meld people into becoming criminals (as introduced by Voyager). You think people would be a lot more afraid of Vulcans if they can do that anytime they want, like Lt. Stiles.
I suspect she's been misinformed and blackmailed by Oh.

I'd be surprised if the writers went for the easy device and had her the victim of mind control.
 
I suspect she's been misinformed and blackmailed by Oh.

I'd be surprised if the writers went for the easy device and had her the victim of mind control.
That sounds like it too, considering she had panic attacks etc. that mind control victims on Trek don't have due to, well, mind control.

If so then I guess that's the end of the character. As Picard once said, "Professor, I feel it necessary to point out that criminal behaviour is as unacceptable in the twenty fourth century as it was in the nineteenth. And much harder to get away with."
 
I'm not getting mind control from Jurati's behavior, at all. The scary thing is that she's in her right mind. Whatever she knows -- or rather, thinks she knows -- must be awful.

As for whether she has to go to jail for it, that's a long time in the future.. Maybe she'll die first. Maybe nobody ever turns her in.
 
How have your hopes been restored? I tried watching this episode today at work but I'm having problems with my browser. So I'm just reading all the spoilers here. This is the first time I've ever willingly spoiled myself when it comes to new Trek. That's never happened before. I don't know what's happening to me but I just can't get excited about tv shows anymore.

I think it helped to not split time with the crushingly dull Narek-Soji arc.
There was good pacing, humor, action, heartbreak, fun, good call backs and easter eggs. Quality, moving performances by Hurd and Ryan, a credible mix of geekitude, psychosis and lost love from Pill, good plot advance to a rendezvous with a Borg cube, ....and there was a bottle of tranya.

Huge improvement all around.
 
That sounds like it too, considering she had panic attacks etc. that mind control victims on Trek don't have due to, well, mind control.

If so then I guess that's the end of the character. As Picard once said, "Professor, I feel it necessary to point out that criminal behaviour is as unacceptable in the twenty fourth century as it was in the nineteenth. And much harder to get away with."

Eh, partial mind control. She keeps doing things that doesn't make sense to her. She doesn't remember the full interaction with the Commodore. The real Agnes is pushing in on the Manchurian Candidate Agnes, and that's what's causing these panic attacks.

It's probably going to be like Disco when Ash honestly didn't remember snapping Culber's neck. MC Agnes will cover her tracks with precision, shifting the blame to faulty medical equipment/a glitchy EMH/Zhat Vash interference over subspace, while the real Agnes will soon be on the bridge none the wiser and as shocked as anyone at her beloved's death.

Raffi will be suspicious, but then they'll show up at the Artifact and start merging plot threads. Agnes might suspect that she murdered Bruce, but probably would keep that information to herself for a couple episodes.
 
Still not keen on them upping the violence level in Trek. Even Trek's darkest episodes didn't have graphic gore.

If Chain of Command were filmed now, I suspect it would be much more violent.

Picard: There are four lights!
Madred: Then you'll now have 7 fingers!!! Soon you won't have any and we'll move on to other body parts!!
Picard: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!
Eh, partial mind control. She keeps doing things that doesn't make sense to her. She doesn't remember the full interaction with the Commodore. The real Agnes is pushing in on the Manchurian Candidate Agnes, and that's what's causing these panic attacks.

It's probably going to be like Disco when Ash honestly didn't remember snapping Culber's neck. MC Agnes will cover her tracks with precision, shifting the blame to faulty medical equipment/a glitchy EMH/Zhat Vash interference over subspace, while the real Agnes will soon be on the bridge none the wiser and as shocked as anyone at her beloved's death.

Raffi will be suspicious, but then they'll show up at the Artifact and start merging plot threads. Agnes might suspect that she murdered Bruce, but probably would keep that information to herself for a couple episodes.
I wonder how anyone stays calm around Vulcans knowing they can do this all the time. Heck, Raffi should have told her son, "Your beeping Vulcan wife is mind controlling you not to talk to me isn't she???"
 
I think the crew of the La Serina will join the Fenris Rangers by the end of the season. Musiker appreciates what Seven does (probably a dig at Picard) and looks like she's finally here to stay, Seven gave Picard the 2399 equivalent of her business card, and if they give Rios a good enough deal, I think he'll be in too. Elnor is a clean slate. They can train him from the ground up.

Then there's Jurati...
 
Still not keen on them upping the violence level in Trek. Even Trek's darkest episodes didn't have graphic gore.

If Chain of Command were filmed now, I suspect it would be much more violent.

Picard: There are four lights!
Madred: Then you'll now have 7 fingers!!! Soon you won't have any and we'll move on to other body parts!!
Picard: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!

I wonder how anyone stays calm around Vulcans knowing they can do this all the time. Heck, Raffi should have told her son, "Your beeping Vulcan wife is mind controlling you not to talk to me isn't she???"

A man had his head explode and his exposed spinal column was visible as well as his exploded, exposed chest with ribs.

That was in Season 1 of TNG
 
I wonder how anyone stays calm around Vulcans knowing they can do this all the time. Heck, Raffi should have told her son, "Your beeping Vulcan wife is mind controlling you not to talk to me isn't she???"

They live in a Lovecraftian universe full of cosmic horrors. Vulcans are the least of their problems when they deal with Betazoids, shapeshifters, people with the ability to show up anywhere, anytime, and immediately vaporize you leaving no trace behind. Not to mention transporter clones, the cold vacuum of space being neatly tucked behind a faulty energy field, beings on the periphery of known space with the capability of destroying your civilization if they so wish it...

Sometimes you have to live life day-by-day and accept Vulcans at their word when they say they won't mind control everyone for sinister purposes. They're a trustworthy folk, despite looking exactly like Humanity's longest interstellar enemy.
 
I didn't like they gorged out of the eye of a guy we - frankly - didn't know. A few scenes before he was captured would've just given more meaning to the gratuitous scene that we got. Icheb would be a bit of a distant/unknown figure to most of those watching I'd expect and I, myself, almost missed 7/9 saying his name.

Aggie will get confined to her room. We'll get to hear of her blackmail, it'll be more morally ambiguous than a clean-cut stab in the back/sabotage - she'll be rehabilitated in some act of martyrdom.
 
They live in a Lovecraftian universe full of cosmic horrors. Vulcans are the least of their problems when they deal with Betazoids, shapeshifters, people with the ability to show up anywhere, anytime, and immediately vaporize you leaving no trace behind. Not to mention transporter clones, the cold vacuum of space being neatly tucked behind a faulty energy field, beings on the periphery of known space with the capability of destroying your civilization if they so wish it...

Sometimes you have to live life day-by-day and accept Vulcans at their word when they say they won't mind control everyone for sinister purposes. They're a trustworthy folk, despite looking exactly like Humanity's longest interstellar enemy.
Betazaoids can only read minds not control them i think. Why does picard not have one aboard? Would be useful
 
Eh, partial mind control. She keeps doing things that doesn't make sense to her. She doesn't remember the full interaction with the Commodore. The real Agnes is pushing in on the Manchurian Candidate Agnes, and that's what's causing these panic attacks.

It's probably going to be like Disco when Ash honestly didn't remember snapping Culber's neck. MC Agnes will cover her tracks with precision, shifting the blame to faulty medical equipment/a glitchy EMH/Zhat Vash interference over subspace, while the real Agnes will soon be on the bridge none the wiser and as shocked as anyone at her beloved's death.

Could you walk me through this? You saw something I didn't. If there really were two operating personalities, why would the one doing the murders be conflicted about doing them?
 
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