Which is how comics do it. Peter Parker in not in his 70s.
It was unlikely they would continue to cast Bond from Connery and Moore's cohort.
Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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Yeah, I can't deal with that sort of thing.
Yeah, and it was a reboot for me then.
I just recognise that there are different versions of the ship, one is not replacing the other, they exist in their own fictional realities. Like Nolan's Batmobile is a different Batmobile than on in the Burton films and they exist in separate realities.I'm visual too. Art Degree.
But I can't latch on to one version of the ship based on nostalgia. Art is always evolving and pushing towards the future. Star Trek's "art" should always reflect that.
Oh yeah? Are the Klingons Fu Manchu-looking anti-Asian racist stereotypes like in TOS, bald guys with a single thin ridge down the top and front of their heads like in TOS, or bumpy-headed dudes with long long, curly hair like in TNG?
Are Trills a Human-looking species with spots whose humanoids join with symbionts to create a new person with each joining like in DS9, or are their human hosts just mindless shells with bumpy foreheads and noses whose real personality is housed in the symbiont?
Does the Enterprise-A have 20-odd decks, or 80-odd decks like in TFF?
Did the Klingons join the Federation like in early TNG, or were they always a foreign power like in later TNG?
How many fingers do Tellarites have?
Did the Romulan Star Empire have warp drive before the 2200s, like the admiral in INS says they didn't?
Was Vulcan conquered like McCoy said in "The Conscience of the King," or is the idea utterly foreign to Vulcans like Spock says in "The Immunity Syndrome?"
Does anti-matter power warp drive like in most Trek, or does it destroy the universe like in "The Alternate Factor?"
Does Data have the ability to use contractions and feel emotions, like he does in early TNG, or is he emotionless and incapable of using contractions like in Season Three onwards? Did his emotion chip, which was established to be fused into his system in GEN, just disappear by NEM?
Is Miles O'Brien an enlisted man like in DS9, or an officer like in TNG?
Do they not use money like in TVH, or does the Federation so rely on money that their dilithium miners can get rich like in "The Devil in the Dark" and there's a black market for human trafficking like in "Mudd's Women?"
How the fuck many Rigels are there, anyway?
Does Vulcan have no moon like in "The Man Trap," or does it have a giant moon like in TMP?
How many goddamn shuttlecraft did Voyager have when it was launched?
How come the Federation had transwarp in TSFS but it was an elusive technology in VOY?
How the hell big was that HMS Bounty bird-of-prey Kirk stole anyway?
How can the center of the galaxy be like three-days' journey in TFF but it takes 75 years to get across the galaxy in VOY?
Did Praxis explode three months before Kirk's trial in TUC, or was it only a few days later like in VOY's "Flashback?" Did Valtane die like in "Flashback," or was he alive when the Excelsior left Khitomer like in TUC?
Is Klingon blood red like in most of Trek, or purple like in TUC?
Why was Worf back in a Starfleet uniform serving aboard the Enterprise-E in NEM, when DS9 ended with him becoming Ambassador of the United Federation of Planets to the Klingon Empire? Why was Wesley back in Starfleet after renouncing it to become a god in "Journey's End?"
Was young Picard bald as a cadet like in NEM, or did Ensign Picard just out of the Academy have a full head of hair like in "Tapestry?"
Did Beverly go to the Academy like she implies in NEM, or was she literally an infant during his time in the Academy as TNG established?
Why didn't Soong mention B-4 in "Brothers?"
Was Spot a male or female cat?
Did Kirk's Enterprise have a spike coming out of the bussard collectors or not? Did it have round bumps at the back of the nacelles or not?
Did the Enterprise-D have a thin edge along its saucer section like in TNG Seasons One and Two, or a thick one like in TNG Seasons Three through Seven?
There's no reason United Earth can't still exist as a Federation Member State, and there's no contradiction between that and "Homefront/Paradise Lost." The Federation President just has the authority to declare a state of emergency on Federation worlds, that's all.
So how come the Borg of the 2350s in VOY flashbacks looked like the 2370s Borg seen in FC instead of like the TNG Borg? How come warp drive looks like the TNG version in ENT and in FC with the Phoenix, but looks totally different in TOS, and looks totally different from TOS in the TOS movies? How come all of Starfleet goes from the Matt Jeffries aesthetic in TOS to the Andrew Probert aesthetic in TMP in just two years? How come even bumpy-headed Klingons look so different between the TOS movies and TNG (and yet the TNG style is seen in flashbacks)?
Have they though? Are any of the events of TOS episodes "retconned". Does the ship serve a different function because it looks different?
Did you forget the part earlier when I said that looks matter to me? And yeah, the event s won't really fit either. The cloaking device thing was already discussed extensively earlier, and I think the whole Klingon War is kinda problem. It really doesn't seem like there was a massive devastating war which Federation almost lost a decade earlier in TOS. And the tech is an issue too. Not the stupid holograms, they're a minor thing, but forcefields, robots, Enterprise being able to launch an insane swarm of fighters. It really doesn't seem like the same setting.
The fundamental design of the Klingons is not a "minor hiccup." The fundamental design of the Trill is not a "minor hiccup." Whether or not Data has emotions is not a "minor hiccup." These are all fundamentals of the shows... and they've all been retconned at some point or other.
The difference is, you didn't mind the old retcons but do mind these ones. Which, hey, fine, nothing wrong with that. Your subjective taste in this area is totally legitimate.
But you really ought to have enough self-awareness to accept that this is an issue of subjective taste and is objectively no different than what Trek has done plenty of times before.
We don’t know, because DSC will never get to the point where it intersects TOS.
For the record: I really didn't like the redesign of the Klingons in DIS. I didn't like how it made them look reptilian, I didn't like how different it made them look from major characters like Worf and Martok, and I didn't enjoy the overall design aesthetic.
But I also knew that it wasn't really all that different from the two or three total redesigns to which Klingons had been subjected before, and that it is unreasonable to expect a TV show from the late 2010s to adhere to the same aesthetic and production design standards of TV shows made 30 years earlier, with less-sophisticated technology, for much lower-resolution television technology.
Because I can separate my subjective reaction to an aesthetic change, from my objective evaluation of whether or not such changes have been done before.
But I also knew that it wasn't really all that different from the two or three total redesigns to which Klingons had been subjected before, and that it is unreasonable to expect a TV show from the late 2010s to adhere to the same aesthetic and production design standards of TV shows made 30 years earlier, with less-sophisticated technology, for much lower-resolution television technology.
Because I can separate my subjective reaction to an aesthetic change, from my objective evaluation of whether or not such changes have been done before.
The look of Klingons is one thing that comes even close to DIS changes, and it utterly pales in comparison. DIS changed the Klingons too... and everything else on top of that! I think it is pretty disingenuous for you to pretend to not recognise the massive difference is scope here.
Then why is it a concern?
And that's cool. You enjoy Trek your way.
Cloaking devices have been a problem since Enterprise.and maybe since The Enterprise Incident.
The Klingon War must be the war Garth and young Kirk fought in.
Star Trek's tech should always be "upgraded". It should never look like yesterday's future. And that how I do Trek.
Did I say it was a concern?
Over the last couple of years I think I got that impression.
You got the impression for years that I was worried DSC would intersect TOS?
No, you've worried about the impact DISCO has on TOS.
No I haven’t. I’ve consistently felt that DSC completely fails as a prequel to TOS. To the point that I think it’s just a reboot or an alternate universe. Which is how I choose to enjoy the show.
Sounds like an impact to me.
