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Would Riker get away with calling Picard "JL"?

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My point with my real life example is that 4 years isn't automatically a "friend earn" just due to time working together. Picard himself took 7 years to play poker with his crew. That's why Raffi is so jarring.

It's not "automatic," but it's hardly implausible either. Depends on the individuals involved, how they click, how the working relationship develops. There are people I've only worked with for a few months that I'm still close to, thirty-plus years later. There are other co-workers from the same era, who I used to have lunch with every day, that I haven't spoke to in decades.

There are no hard-and-fast timetables when it comes to interpersonal relationships, working or otherwise, so it didn't find it "jarring" at all. If anything, it struck me as an efficient, effective way to indicate that Raffi was not Riker 2.0 and that they had a different kind of working relationship. Show not tell, as others have noted in this thread.

As supposed to some sort of clunky expository dialogue along the lines of:

"You know, Raffi, ordinarily, I would never stand for most people calling me 'JT." Certainly, my former first officer, Will Riker, would have never done that. But you're different because blah, blah, blah . . . . " :)
 
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Scotty called Kirk "Jim" within two years of beginning to serve with him if we go by his reaction to the Captain when he makes it sound as if he's risking being trapped in the Mirror Universe to stay behind and operate the I.S.S. Enterprise's transporter controls. Sometimes two people can engender enough trust and affection for one another that they have nicknames they use in just a short period of time.
 
I just want to say that this has become one of the strangest threads I have ever been a part of on this forum.
Time and again, little known pet theory's that get expressed in these threads, end up being chewed to bits and then become the cud of everyone else's expressions.

Most often, the Mod's end up spitting it out.
;)
 
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Scotty called Kirk "Jim" within two years of beginning to serve with him if we go by his reaction to the Captain when he makes it sound as if he's risking being trapped in the Mirror Universe to stay behind and operate the I.S.S. Enterprise's transporter controls. Sometimes two people can engender enough trust and affection for one another that they have nicknames they use in just a short period of time.

C'mon. You know it's reverse racism. Raffi has no respect for the white man's authoritah!

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Yes, your attitude is exactly what I was referencing in the post.

"I don't like your criticism of my favorite thing. Time for a warning, Troll!"

I won't be subscribing to your groupthink and I will continue to post both praise and criticism of star trek television shows alllllllllllllllll the way up until the moment you ban me for having the wrong opinions. :)

Well, you can take your wrong opinions elsewhere, troll.

Jolan TRU, sucker! *boot!*
 
Ok, this thread is proof positive we Trekkies can argue over anything. :nyah:. But 14 pages of comments about a nickname?

And I don't know why, but I read through the last few pages and, um :crazy: is all I can say.

I admit, I'm pretty anal sometimes about continuity (well, ok, most of the time). A character calling Picard by a nickname, that just doesn't even register on my radar. Would Riker call Picard JL? No. I don't see that. But so what. I can see him calling him Jean-Luc. But hey, different people call different people by different names everyday. Some people call me DC (my initials). Some people call me Damian. And some people call me assface. Whether Riker would ever call Picard JL is irrelevant to a different character. I'm mystified how anyone would thing that's, er, well never mind. :whistle:
 
Maybe she's brash and he rolled with it. My wife calls me a stupid nickname all the time and I don't really love it, but it's not worth fighting over.
 
As close as Data, Riker and Troi were with Picard, I think you can count the number of times on one hand they ever called him "Jean-Luc." JL is a terrible creative choice and totally does not work.

It does feel like an attempt to convince viewers that Picard and Raffi are close as opposed to actually showing it.
This is them showing it though. What you and others are complaining about is the narrative structure you say you want!! This is the problem when people feel they need to criticize every little thing. Saying you want more show and not tell but yet not being able to recognize the "show" when given to you. That's why some shows and movies just decide to outright tell you certain things. Sometimes people don't know what they want or think they know more than they really do. Or are capable of understanding more than they really are. Telling would be her outright saying we used to be close. Instead we see them talking in a much more familiar way, how at ease they are with each other physically by how close they are when talking, etc. That's the show.

This is why when it comes to Discovery and Picard I automatically start ignoring negative talk about writing, acting, etc. Far to many people don't know what they're talking about and instead are using these things to mask what their real issue is. From what I've seen on social media the core issue some seem to have is "how dare this person not show the proper respect (that I deem) to my/the Picard". That's what I think this really comes down to and what I get from the opening post and every time I see this brought up, especially when there is push back for the actual reasonings why this isn't at all a issue.

You see it with the admiral. People getting so bent out of shape that she dare dress Picard down while ignoring or not even understanding why she did it. Not even acknowledging that Picard deserved it. She cursed at him was the main take away from to many people and it was so disappointing.
 
Based on my own past with Ladies of this type (by choice), it's not that She actually has the "hots" for him so much as she enjoys dominating and abusing him.

If they are siblings, Narek most likely was her first victim and was an easy target for her to hone her skills early on.
The sexual part isn't really sincere, it's just another form of control that She uses.
Especially, when She knows it makes her victims extremely uncomfortable.

Now mind you, I'm not saying this completely applies to you Ms T'Bonz, but it does seem at times you get just the slightest thrill from booting the malcontents around here.
(which is what my comment above was indicating)

Also, I'm pretty sure that the failure of her team to retrieve Dahj intact, wouldn't have happened if she had been there.
Her delegating skills failed this particular time, but she wouldn't be in the position of control over others that she obviously has if that were to be the norm.
I'm sure up to this point, 'Lt. Rizzo' has been quite adept at her chosen profession.
:)
 
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If any writer makes Riker call Picard "JL" in dialogue....oh my....

I'm sure Frakes wouldn't say it even if they did.
 
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