Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[DaveyNY]

O'RLY?
From STII:TSFS:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie3.html


(Although yeah, if you go with the idea that the 1701 refit was still using the 1701's ORIGINAL Hull/Structure, the ship was closer to 40 years old...)

I still think Star Fleet was just using the Enterprise as an excuse to make Kirk back into a desk-jockey or retire HIM!



Anybody else notice that the La Sirena looks to have a Shuttle bay on each shoulder on the front?

 

[Gonzo]

I still think Star Fleet was just using the Enterprise as an excuse to make Kirk back into a desk-jockey or retire HIM!



Anybody else notice that the La Sirena looks to have a Shuttle bay on each shoulder on the front?

Yeah I saw the glowing blue forcefields as well.

Hard to judge size from them though.

 

[DaveyNY]

The ship appears to be rather large to me.
Definitely bigger than a Runabout but smaller than the Equinox.


It kinda-sorta looks like she has a Torpedo Tube in the rear like a D-7...
(in the middle of the inverted triangle at the top)

 

[Ronald Held]

Rios may be very fast to get her Captain out of frequent conflicts?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Rios may be very fast to get her Captain out of frequent conflicts?

And to avoid creditors.

 

[JoeZhang]

Rios may be very fast to get her Captain out of frequent conflicts?

I understand it did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs.

 

[Racefuel]

As a side note on the whole ship age thing..

Chronological age doesn't matter as much as technological age. It's entirely possible what was being viewed about the Enterprise In TSFS is that when combined with her damage..the effort to refit her yet again given her technological age, which remember is probably why she was an Academy ship to begin with, meant she was not worth the effort.

The Excelsior class was coming online, presumably around that time the Constellation class was entering service, etc.

Much like how chronologically the last of the battleships were very young, in some cases only 3-4 years old, when they were retired..but they were very obsolete in technology and doctrine. Granted the Iowa class gets a special allowance on that because they were repeatedly brought back for shore bombardment work..but that's not what their original design intention was.

 

[Gonzo]

The ship appears to be rather large to me.
Definitely bigger than a Runabout but smaller than the Equinox.


It kinda-sorta looks like she has a Torpedo Tube in the rear like a D-7...
(in the middle of the inverted triangle at the top)

Its hard to judge from the footage, we don't actually know they are shuttle-bays until we see a shuttle enter/exit or see inside them for scale.

I dont think its as big as the Equinox myself, that would require too large a crew.

I am thinking more along the lines of the Defiant class, 5 decks or so no more and possibly less.

 

[DaveyNY]

Well Deck 2 appears to be the Cargo Bay and seems to run most of the length of the hull.

I'd guess three, maybe four decks?

 

[cooleddie74]

Technically the Enterprise in TSFS if we're going just on the refit is 12-15 years old. The parts of the original 2245 ship that would still be intact within her hull would be 40, so "20 years old" is just plain incorrect no matter how you interpret Morrow's line.

 

[Racefuel]

I think she's a lot smaller than people are thinking..

Maybe 60 meters long at the most and two decks.

It frankly looks more like an old tug or small cargo courier

 

[Gonzo]

Well Deck 2 appears to be the Cargo Bay and seems to run most of the length of the hull.

I'd guess three, maybe four decks?

Yeah with the top deck being living quarters and bridge, middle deck is hangar bay and stores, the lower deck is engineering or vice versa.

That is why I said it was not a Starfleet ship, the layout is not standard.

 

[Racefuel]

Technically the Enterprise in TSFS if we're going just on the refit is 12-15 years old. The parts of the original 2245 ship that would still be intact within her hull would be 40, so "20 years old" is just plain incorrect no matter how you interpret Morrow's line.

yup...I think it was intended to tie directly to TOS (2265-2285 being twenty years)

 

[DaveyNY]

I just noticed that there appears to be a Hull Separation Joint about halfway back.

She's got like 6 or 8 Impulse (?) Engines on the back.
I wonder if it separates into two craft?

Probably not, but that would be cool.

 

[Noname Given]

Well Deck 2 appears to be the Cargo Bay and seems to run most of the length of the hull.

I'd guess three, maybe four decks?

So:
"There are FOUR decks!", eh?

 

[cooleddie74]

yup...I think it was intended to tie directly to TOS (2265-2285 being twenty years)

That makes sense from the audience's point of view. Sadly it's not consistent with even the Trek universe established in TOS and the first three movies but oh well.

No Trek movie produced in 1984 was going to have a Mike Okuda timeline to refer to to satisfy then-nonexistent Internet nerds. The Starlog readers who'd have a fit wouldn't be an issue for the producers.

 

[Tarek71]

Not sure what is reasonable for a personal ship. We have seen some very small vessels, like Cyrano Jones' Spacematic, which was just a large shuttle. Up from that would include the two-deck Class J of Harry Mudd with a length of about 30m. The Raven of Sevens parents was 4 decks and about 80-90m in length. If you dont work for a shipping company, and you buy your own, what is reasonable? Well, they either do or do not use money. So I am not sure how that works. In our world, money is the main limiting factor. A 50m commercial fishing vessel could run over $1 million+. Who knows how that translates to starships.

I would say La Sirena is wider than the Raven, but not sure about length. I would say it is could be in the 80m range for LOA. But we will certainly get better scaling ideas as the episodes go on.

 

[Racefuel]

That makes sense from the audience's point of view. Sadly it's not consistent with even the Trek universe established in TOS and the first three movies but oh well.

No Trek movie produced in 1984 was going to have a Mike Okuda timeline to refer to to satisfy then-nonexistent Internet nerds. The Starlog readers who'd have a fit wouldn't be an issue for the producers.

Star Trek be inconsistent!?

Unpossible!

 

[DaveyNY]

Star Trek be inconsistent!?

Unpossible!

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[F. King Daniel]

I took about 10+ year sabbatical from TrekBBS right after ENT ended, so I missed the whole hoopla around ST09. You have a link to that thread? I suppose I can find it myself, but I'm lazy

EDIT: I think I found it: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/here-it-is-no-bloody-a-b-c-or-d.73387/
Pretty mild compared to Discoprise.

Um no that is definitely not it.

It went on for 100's if not 1000's of pages in multiple threads, one after the other.

It was epic, I suspect the mods would have other words for it though.

Where is it @Locutus of Bored

I bet @King Daniel Beyond knows.

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