Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"
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You know, once I started using the Ignore function here heavily, the forums are a much better place for me, except a few times it's hard to understand what's going onI'm not feeling the support at the moment.
Admiral Picard wasn't in charge of the Enterprise-E at that point, he was the flag officer aboard the USS Verity, an Odyssey class ship.
They did "spell it out" though, when one thinks through the sequence of events. Picard quits, Musiker is immediately summoned by the chief of Starfleet Security, where she is stripped of her security clearance. Someone that Picard is close to? I can't imagine them staying with Starfleet after they dismissed him. She says she was fired, but that is how she interprets having her security clearance revoked.
Other than Picard being an Admiral, none of what you said is canon
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Yeah the Odyssey class USS Verity is a much larger and more powerful ship, it would be better equipped to act as command and control for a fleet of rescue ships.
Why was Raffi discharged? Long list of potential reasons taken from the US military discharge wiki article--
Typical reasons for discharge:
- Expiration of Term of Service (ETS)
- Failure to meet Physical Fitness standards
- Reaching the maximum age limit
- High Year Tenure (reaching the maximum allowable time-in-grade, and not selected for promotion)
- Disability, Dependency, or Hardship
- Pregnancy/Parenthood
- Personality Disorder
- Condition not a disability
- Physical or Mental Conditions that interfere with military service resulting in being placed on the Temporary or Permanent Disability Retirement Lists
- Convenience of The Government/Secretarial Authority (voluntary redundancy due to funding cutbacks, for example)
- Unsuitability
- Misconduct – Minor Disciplinary Infractions
- Misconduct – Drug Abuse with and without administrative review board
- Misconduct – Commission of a serious offense
- Entry-Level Performance and Conduct
- Resignation (available to officers only)
- Reduction in Force (RIF)
- Entry level separation (ELS): uncharacterized (neither Good nor Bad Conduct) if discharged within the first 180 days of service and no misconduct found in service member's record
- Punitive Discharges – Bad Conduct Discharge issued by either Special Court Martial or General Court Martial only. Dishonorable Discharge issued by a General Court Martial only
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I have never actually felt the need to use the ignore function, I am happy to dip in and out as and when the subject matter is interesting.You know, once I started using the Ignore function here heavily, the forums are a much better place for me, except a few times it's hard to understand what's going on
In fact I dont think I have ever reported anyone either that I can remember, although I do tend to automatically scroll past some posts if I know its just going around in circles or the argument has got to the point where they are arguing with themselves rather than each other.
At that point the original reason for the disagreement has long since passed into myth and legend.
We already saw a hologram in episode 1.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Index
I guess they just banned androids, holograms are less problematic you just have to say "computer disable EMH"
How many times have we had Trek characters plead for the computer to end program when a hologram goes bad? And it fails. I lost count.
Was she stripped right after Picard's resignation was accepted? All we know is that she said she was going to be fired before she angrily left him. She later told him her security clearance was revoked, 14 years after the fact. I'm sure he knew anyways. Again, I think it just comes down to some poor writing, leaving some things up to the imagination when a simple line could take care of everything.
Or maybe it was intentional and they will come back to it in a future episode.
I would be fine with "security clearance" revoked, but the episode goes on to say specifically "fired." Maybe I'm misremembering, but that doesn't seem to be subject to interpretation.
In my mind, a better choice would have been either she quits in solidarity, but then her post-Starfleet life sucks, so she can still be bitter at Picard. Or she has her clearance revoked, her career path derailed and rides a desk for five years until she either quits herself or gets fired due to drugs or poor performance or whatever. She still blames Picard. But getting fired for retaliation is illegal in the 21st Century and should be unthinkable in the 24th.
There are much, much larger examples of bad writing littered throughout the franchise. If this is bad writing, it is a blip in the context of the larger Trek universe.
No, it was in Picard Countdown, which was written by Kirsten Beyer, a co-creator of Picard and member of the writing staff.
This (and anything else on your list!) would have been totally fine. Instead, the episode says, "Starfleet fired me because they were mad at you." Which is silly.
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It may not stick and from the looks of it quite a few members dont want it to stick.
I was a bit shocked when I finally saw the ship in the comic.
We shall have to see what is kept and what is discarded.
Real world article following--
Involuntary separation from the Army normally means the soldier or officer doesn't really want to leave. The Army can discharge troops due to failure to achieve promotion, because of family or health issues, or for disciplinary reasons. In most instances of involuntary separation, the service member is honorably separated with a form of severance pay. Involuntary separation due to discipline or military justice issues, though, may be characterized as less-than-honorable, bad conduct or even dishonorable.
Voluntary and many involuntary separations from the military normally result in an honorable discharge, and all veterans benefits are available.
People can be transferred etc. and say you're not "fired" but everyone knows what it really means. For all we know Starfleet wrote out Raffi's honorable discharge in the coziest words possible, but Raffi called it out for what it was and says "You fired me".
I think by "getting fired," Raffi was simply reassigned from the Romulan evacuation project--but it was something that she had invested a lot into, and being pulled from it sent her on a downward spiral that ended with her either quitting or being discharged from the fleet.
I also tend to think that Raffi has her own demons that predate the attack on Mars. Maybe she was able to quiet them while working with Picard, but they resurfaced after they parted ways maybe.
I also tend to think that Raffi has her own demons that predate the attack on Mars. Maybe she was able to quiet them while working with Picard, but they resurfaced after they parted ways maybe.
They come from the vulcan planet.
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