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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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And lets not forget we have a whole army of Picardo EMH laborers that have axes to grind. If they don't fall under the synth ban, what's the point? they just might revolt one day too.
 
Then the synth ban is ultimately trivial as we've seen plenty of holograms capable of doing physical harm (and more, as seen with Moriarty) and even holographic bullets can kill.

If the Rios hologram goes bad one day, the synth ban is ultimately meaningless. He could even impersonate Rios (Clu and Tron vibes here)
But how is the EMH going to do anything outside of the computer it's housed in and the emitters in the walls?
Even Moriarty could only effect the Enterprise-D and couldn't leave the holodeck.
 
Vic Fontaine has probably been deactivated if AI has been banned. I'm guessing The Doctor, who'll be seen in Season 2, went into hiding.

The DS9 writing crew for some reason wanted to make him into the new head of Section 31 in their plans for a "Season 8" reunion.

The Doctor, or Vic Fontaine?

Those DS9 writers really did want Vic to be EVERYWHERE...
 
But how is the EMH going to do anything outside of the computer it's housed in and the emitters in the walls?
Even Moriarty could only effect the Enterprise-D and couldn't leave the holodeck.
That depends if Voyager's mobile emitter was classified and how secure that technology is from being stolen.

And lets not forget we have a whole army of Picardo EMH laborers that have axes to grind. If they don't fall under the synth ban, what's the point? they just might revolt one day too.
 
The Doctor, or Vic Fontaine?

Those DS9 writers really did want Vic to be EVERYWHERE...

I thought that Garth was referring to Bashir, who might have to be in hiding due to being an augment. They wanted Bashir to be the new head of Section 31.
 
Rated this one "9." A solid episode.

Enjoyed the fact this episode validated my initial skepticism regarding Starfleet's overreaction to the Mars incident. Who doesn't love being proved right in the face of opposition. :lol: Nice to learn that Jean-Luc Picard is a pro-second amendment guy .. a private citizen with so many firearms around his manor, WOW! :techman: Negative: Once again the Romulan ninjas are shown to be of Keystone Cops caliber. :rolleyes:

The writing has been the best Star Trek has seen this century, in my opinion. Very sharp and on point. Thank you, Michael Chabon! I like Discovery very much, however, the multiple changes in direction over the course of it's short life (2 seasons) has been noticeable.

Negative: Some of the acting performances have been good. Some have been somewhat self-conscious. Some superficial. Maybe it's the editing, IDK.

I am definitely going to re-watch this episode. LLAP.
Judging by the look on Picard's face when he sees the weapon under the furniture, I'm guessing he didn't know that Laris & Zhaban put them there.
 
I thought that Garth was referring to Bashir, who might have to be in hiding due to being an augment. They wanted Bashir to be the new head of Section 31.

I meant the EMH when I said The Doctor. They really should've given him a name.

I'll edit my earlier post, just in case someone else reading thinks I was talking about Bashir.
 
That depends if Voyager's mobile emitter was classified and how secure that technology is from being stolen.

And lets not forget we have a whole army of Picardo EMH laborers that have axes to grind. If they don't fall under the synth ban, what's the point? they just might revolt one day too.
I'm pretty sure The Doctor wasn't going to let anybody get a hold of his portable emitter.
And Janeway probably made sure of that as well.
 
And lets not forget we have a whole army of Picardo EMH laborers that have axes to grind. If they don't fall under the synth ban, what's the point? they just might revolt one day too.

Well, the Voyager crew did always seem to put holograms in a very different category than androids. Maybe the EMH's aren't seen as a threat because they can be controlled in a way physical artificial life can't, you can make them just vanish in a way you can't with synths.
 
The gravitational pull of the Black Hole would be the same as the sun it replaced, so no.
It would be many many orders of magnitude greater due to it being compressed down during the collapse into a singularity, it would then start feeding on everything around it, how long that would take depends on the size of the Star and distances involved.

Anyone left on Romulus/Remus would not have lasted long at all if it turned into a black hole rather than a Supernova.

Tell you what, if it ever happens to our Star I will get the hell out of the system in advance by any means necessary and you can stay with some warm clothes, bar heater and a torch, I am sure you will be absolutely fine and I will support your decision from as far away as possible. :biggrin:
 
Well, the Voyager crew did always seem to put holograms in a very different category than androids. Maybe the EMH's aren't seen as a threat because they're thought to be easier to control, you can make them just vanish in a way you can't with synths.
Yeah, by just telling the computer to Turn the EMH OFF.
:techman:
 
You havent factored in the gravitational pull of the black hole from which not even light can escape, remember this singularity isnt in a system nearby, its actually at the heart of the Romulus system, it would rip everything apart relatively quickly and trying to escape from it after it has formed would be highly unlikely.
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This is another misconception I wish would die.

That is NOT how black holes work. From a distance, there's no gravitational difference between the black hole and another object of comparable mass. Romulus would continue in its orbit like always. Black holes aren't vacuum cleaners.

You have to get close to a black hole, before you begin to feel its unique effects (tidal forces, frame dragging, etc.)
 
Another top notch A+ episode. A solid 10!

Is it me, or was Picard de-aged slightly in the flashback scene?
 
Collapsing the Romulan sun into a singularity would be just as final for the people of Romulus/Remus, it would just have been a slower death.

Supernova = Quick death via overwhelming explosive force in light
Singularity = Slow death as the world is torn apart in darkness

Highly unlikely anyone or anything would be able to escape either, even with the technology available as the gravitational pull of even a small singularity inside the system would be impossible to escape.

It would not. If the sun was transformed nearly-instaneously into a black hole of the same mass, the Earth woul orbit around it as it always did. The world would slowly chill to ten degrees or so above absolute zero, but the Earth would physically survive.

The effects of red matter do propagate wildly, but not so wildly. Vulcan might have been consumed in the Kelvin timeline, but the effects of that black hole did not propagate to adjacent worlds.
 
It would not. If the sun was transformed nearly-instaneously into a black hole of the same mass, the Earth woul orbit around it as it always did. The world would slowly chill to ten degrees or so above absolute zero, but the Earth would physically survive.

The effects of red matter do propagate wildly, but not so wildly. Vulcan might have been consumed in the Kelvin timeline, but the effects of that black hole did not propagate to adjacent worlds.
Even given all that, Romulus couldn't evacuate in the 2 years between the synth attack and the supernova, but suddenly the 2 months (or whatever) Spock buys with this stunt would be enough? :vulcan:
 
It would be many many orders of magnitude greater due to it being compressed down during the collapse into a singularity, it would then start feeding on everything around it, how long that would take depends on the size of the Star and distances involved.

Anyone left on Romulus/Remus would not have lasted long at all if it turned into a black hole rather than a Supernova.

Tell you what, if it ever happens to our Star I will get the hell out of the system in advance by any means necessary and you can stay with some warm clothes, bar heater and a torch, I am sure you will be absolutely fine and I will support your decision from as far away as possible. :biggrin:

You are wrong dude. People have directly quoted science articles regarding this. Don't be ashamed - lots of people misunderstand this.

Of course, in a real world situation, you could never "fire off" a black hole into a sun and cause it to collapse immediately. Matter can only be sucked into the black hole at a certain speed given its radius, which means (if you're dealing with a micro-hole) it could take years to actually consume a star. It would happen much quicker if you used a stellar-mass black hole, but still not instantly - and that would certainly disrupt the orbit of the planets orbiting, just like another sun suddenly appearing would disrupt them.
 
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