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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

I am sure it has been said, but Picard didn't take Kirk's advice about not being promoted, or retiring. Seems Picard is having a somewhat similar dilemma that Kirk faced at one time, only with different circumstances.
 
I am sure it has been said, but Picard didn't take Kirk's advice about not being promoted, or retiring. Seems Picard is having a somewhat similar dilemma that Kirk faced at one time, only with different circumstances.

Starfleet gave him no choice. If he wanted the Romulan ark project he had to head it.
 
Guys, I just realised... Renegades is still in continuity. The whole novelverse is gone but that fan film pilot is still with us
Until it gets contradicted (serious though it’s absolutely in *my* canon, both are I ignore the removing of the Trek refs in Requiem, I mean combined thru have like a dozen returning characters!!)
 
They actually feel like a continuation of the Picard character.

My only nitpick with the Picard presented so far on the show, is that I don't feel like he would've given up with his resignation from Starfleet. But we're only one part into a ten part story and that may yet be addressed.

As far as the books go, I think Picard would've had the good sense to not raise a child on a warship.
 
My only nitpick with the Picard presented so far on the show, is that I don't feel like he would've given up with his resignation from Starfleet. But we're only one part into a ten part story and that may yet be addressed.

As far as the books go, I think Picard would've had the good sense to not raise a child on a warship.
I think that the whole incident with his resignation played (and still plays) into his belief that: "Starfleet isn't Starfleet..."; in that I'm sure at the time he honestly figured:

"If I threaten to resign...Star Fleet won't let me, and will rebuild the rescue fleet...after ALL I've done in my career, they'd never just let me go..."

But, Star Fleet calls his bluff and said: "Okay, you want to resign in protest?...Resignation accepted...have a nice life/retirement...oh, and here's your Quantum Storage Trailer, see the Hologram when you bring stuff to store..."

Picard: "This isn't Star Fleet anymore!!!" ---> Retires to Vineyard.
 
I think that the whole incident with his resignation played (and still plays) into his belief that: "Starfleet isn't Starfleet..."; in that I'm sure at the time he honestly figured:

"If I threaten to resign...Star Fleet won't let me, and will rebuild the rescue fleet...after ALL I've done in my career, they'd never just let me go..."

But, Star Fleet calls his bluff and said: "Okay, you want to resign in protest?...Resignation accepted...have a nice life/retirement...oh, and here's your Quantum Storage Trailer, see the Hologram when you bring stuff to store..."

Picard: "This isn't Star Fleet anymore!!!" ---> Retires to Vineyard.

Exactly. If he caved, he'd have been seen and treated like he was their stooge. They'd think if he folded once, he'd fold again, so he had to leave. They wouldn't have taken anything he said seriously if he stayed because they'd think "He'll fall in line. He always does... "

Being an Admiral has to be a lot more political than being a Captain. That's why they won't reinstate him for "just one mission". They know he's someone who won't stick to the script.
 
Exactly. If he caved, he'd have been seen and treated like he was their stooge. They'd think if he folded once, he'd fold again, so he had to leave. They wouldn't have taken anything he said seriously if he stayed because they'd think "He'll fall in line. He always does... "

Being an Admiral has to be a lot more political than being a Captain. That's why they won't reinstate him for "just one mission". They know he's someone who won't stick to the script.

It's like he himself said in "Coming Of Age" when he was offered the promotion to admiral. "Greg, this is politics, and I'm not good at politics." ;)
 
My only nitpick with the Picard presented so far on the show, is that I don't feel like he would've given up with his resignation from Starfleet. But we're only one part into a ten part story and that may yet be addressed.

As far as the books go, I think Picard would've had the good sense to not raise a child on a warship.

True, but on the other hand Kirk allowed himself to be sidelined with an Admiral's rank and a desk job right after his first five-year mission ended and this was just about four short years after he professed his love for the Enterprise and said he'd never leave her. Kirk was a dyed-in-the-wool cowboy and explorer who lived to sit in the center seat and command a starship and even this legend let himself get his arm twisted into accepting a promotion and being stuck on Earth pushing paperwork across a desk while Will Decker got to have all the fun.

Sometimes the most gung-ho explorers and officers become the first ones to change their career directions if given the wrong advice or having followed the wrong feelings. Picard must have been so affected by the Romulan supernova and the failure of the rescue armada that he felt so betrayed he thought he had no other moral choice in the matter. One can argue that the experiences with Ambassador Spock on Romulus and his mind meld with him had such profound impacts that Picard after that was never again the same officer.
 
I think that the whole incident with his resignation played (and still plays) into his belief that: "Starfleet isn't Starfleet..."; in that I'm sure at the time he honestly figured:

"If I threaten to resign...Star Fleet won't let me, and will rebuild the rescue fleet...after ALL I've done in my career, they'd never just let me go..."

But, Star Fleet calls his bluff and said: "Okay, you want to resign in protest?...Resignation accepted...have a nice life/retirement...oh, and here's your Quantum Storage Trailer, see the Hologram when you bring stuff to store..."

Picard: "This isn't Star Fleet anymore!!!" ---> Retires to Vineyard.

Keep in mind Worf resigned from Starfleet to fight in the Klingon Civil War, so it kinda doesn't mean anything beyond "vacation of indeterminate length."
 
I'd be really surprised if it's anything more than Ryan and Picardo. But I'm all for Kate.

Russ is really the only one still doing regular work, AFAIK. Wang is just a complainer. And Beltran can fuck off. Then, of course, RDM and Dawson (Dawson especially) have since found a home behind the viewfinder.

*And I'm all for Phillips - I adore Ethan Phillips - just as long as he's not playing Neelix.
 
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