Spoilers Everyday life on earth

[Arpy]

Up until now, life on Earth has never been a priority for STAR Trek.

Is this supposed to be an excuse? We've gotten little snippets of interesting futurism in the past. They just decided not to run with it. And looking at all the prosaic planets we've trekked to among the staaaaaaaaaaars over the years, future Earth could have been far more spectacular.

 

[fireproof78]

It also would have looked more dated, and focus on details irrelevant to the story.

I think Gene was right to avoid Earth.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Does the original Constitution class Enterprise have straight or swept back pylons in this one and same universe?

Does the original Constitution class have domes on the back of the nacelles, or grilles? You know what? The original Constitution class was seen for only three years (four if you include TAS) before TMP came along and introduced the much sleeker swept back pylons. I'm happy to say the TOS Enterprise always did have had swept back pylons. They just don't show up in the low resolution of 1960s TV.

It's probably easier to believe that, than twisting yourself into knots trying to explain how the TMP Enterprise is a "refit" of the TOS one, when hardly anything looks the same.

 

[Arpy]

It also would have looked more dated, and focus on details irrelevant to the story.

I think Gene was right to avoid Earth.

More dated than TOS? It’s all still gets dated.

How is PIC not going to be dated by being less futuristic than it might?

A thousand years to create a sentient AI? Isn’t that Lore, Moriarty, the Doctor? And in the real world maybe a century away?

 

[Masiral]

Pretty much all the aliens we've seen in Star Trek are binary gendered. Even when the novels established the Andorians had four genders, they still made it binary in that two of the genders are masculine and two are feminine. The one exception is the race from The Outcast, and everyone there reacted as though they were something truly unique.

Star Trek really isn't that imaginative with its aliens.

Also the Vissians in ENT with the cogenitors as a third gender.

 

[fireproof78]

How is PIC not going to be dated by being less futuristic than it might?

Because it doesn't insist on calling attention to it. Earth's status is not essential to the story so leaving it be decreases risk in dating more than it already will be.

 

[Arpy]

Because it doesn't insist on calling attention to it. Earth's status is not essential to the story so leaving it be decreases risk in dating more than it already will be.

This doesn’t make any sense. 1. The lack of futurism calls as much attention as any addition of futurism. 2. What’s presented is already incongruous with canon, asking us to accept another series’ alternate universe. 3. You’re suggesting that the futurism needs to be front and center as the point of the series instead of establishing setting.

 

[Jayson1]

People don't need toilets in the future. Just replicate bedpans. Do your business and then put it back in the replicator but just don't spill any of it. That's were you get your food and drink out of as well.


Jason

 

[Brainsucker]

There are no toilets in the future. Toilets are gross. Pooping and peeing are gross.

By the late 22nd century, everyone's been genetically-engineered to use 100% of all food and water consumed perfectly.

Convince me otherwise.

They don't need toilets because they can teleport their poop and pee using transporter technology

 

[fireproof78]

This doesn’t make any sense. 1. The lack of futurism calls as much attention as any addition of futurism. 2. What’s presented is already incongruous with canon, asking us to accept another series’ alternate universe. 3. You’re suggesting that the futurism needs to be front and center as the point of the series instead of establishing setting.

I don't agree with number 1. The lack of futurism doesn't alter it to me one way or the other. The setting is preestablished as part of the Trek world.

Yes, I am suggesting the futurism needs to be front and center in a Star Trek series. This isn't a new setting or a new world to explore. Replicators, holodecks, LCARs, starships and the like are all a given. If it isn't prescient to the story then there isn't a need for it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does the original Constitution class have domes on the back of the nacelles, or grilles?

In some episodes it has both!! I can only conclude that those episodes take place in two different universes, the G(rill) Universe and the D(ome) Universe. I will now work out a complicated chart breaking down the each episode scene by scene to show which scenes are G and which are D.

 

[Jayson1]

It's also possible they don't have toilets since they don't have money to pay for them but since they are in the military they figured out how to make latrines. Let's say their was some areas of Arboretum on the Enterprise-D you did not want to spend much time at.


Jason

 

[Brainsucker]

Pretty much all the aliens we've seen in Star Trek are binary gendered. Even when the novels established the Andorians had four genders, they still made it binary in that two of the genders are masculine and two are feminine. The one exception is the race from The Outcast, and everyone there reacted as though they were something truly unique.

Star Trek really isn't that imaginative with its aliens.

But what is the purpose of having 4 genders? How they reproduce?

Rather than gender, why not reproduce like Ant? Where some Alien have queen who breed, and worker do everything else?

 

[fireproof78]

But what is the purpose of having 4 genders? How they reproduce?

Rather than gender, why not reproduce like Ant? Where some Alien have queen who breed, and worker do everything else?

When it comes to reproduction, one has to keep in mind that survival and passing along genetics is paramount. The more steps involved the more errors become possible. Human reproduction is certainly a complex process that can have a lot go wrong.

 

[Arpy]

I don't agree with number 1. The lack of futurism doesn't alter it to me one way or the other. The setting is preestablished as part of the Trek world.

Yes, I am suggesting the futurism needs to be front and center in a Star Trek series. This isn't a new setting or a new world to explore. Replicators, holodecks, LCARs, starships and the like are all a given. If it isn't prescient to the story then there isn't a need for it.

Gilligan’s Island could be established as part of the Star Trek world if they stick Star Trek on the title. The point is, is it any good. A setting of 400 years hence without presenting 400 years hence is silly.

The futurism needs to be there to establish setting. Beyond that, the show/episode/whatever can choose to be about the tech or about character or comedy or what have you. The problem with PIC that their wardrobe dept is JC Penny circa 2005, their cities are Sci-Fi Channel circa 2010, and every single shuttle is DSC. To begin with.

When it comes to reproduction, one has to keep in mind that survival and passing along genetics is paramount. The more steps involved the more errors become possible. Human reproduction is certainly a complex process that can have a lot go wrong.

So God created humans as the perfect species across the universe. Got it. ...dude, it’s a sci-fi show. Exploring reproduction (inferior, superior, and just plain different) are part and parcel.

 

[fireproof78]

So God created humans as the perfect species across the universe. Got it. ...dude, it’s a sci-fi show. Exploring reproduction (inferior, superior, and just plain different) are part and parcel.

Didn't say that at all, thanks.

The futurism needs to be there to establish setting. Beyond that, the show/episode/whatever can choose to be about the tech or about character or comedy or what have you. The problem with PIC that their wardrobe dept is JC Penny circa 2005, their cities are Sci-Fi Channel circa 2010, and every single shuttle is DSC. To begin with.

As opposed to all the other future fashion shown...? Sorry, but there are some things were futurism is not preferable.

As for the cities, I'm not fussed by them. This is, after all, an Earth that just went through several wars. I don't expect them to be built up in some futuristic way. And, as per my general rule, I don't generalize one particular environment as being representative of all.

 

[Arpy]

Didn't say that at all, thanks

You were apologizing for human reproduction being innately superior other forms you find more complicated.

Sorry, but there are some things were futurism is not preferable.

Uh, wrong. They don’t wear powdered wigs and pantaloons on This is Us. Establish setting.

This is, after all, an Earth that just went through several wars.

No it didn’t, quit using that as an excuse. If anything a war should have caused more change.

I don't expect them to be built up in some futuristic way. And, as per my general rule, I don't generalize one particular environment as being representative of all.

That’s a common excuse, but these are artists bringing you not a random and unrepresentative environment but presenting for you a chosen and manipulated one to represent something. Just that their something isn’t much of something. You may not “fuss” about it, but I do lament a missed opportunity to inspire.

 

[Turtletrekker]

But what is the purpose of having 4 genders? How they reproduce?

Rather than gender, why not reproduce like Ant? Where some Alien have queen who breed, and worker do everything else?

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Andorian_sexes#Reproductive_process

 

[Mudd]

It also would have looked more dated, and focus on details irrelevant to the story.

I think Gene was right to avoid Earth.

Yeah, the more they've gotten into that kind of thing the less plausible it's seemed.

This series fits pretty comfortably with being set 20 years or so after Nemesis.

 

[Jayson1]

To me the easy fix is to avoid modern slang and enough with the emo beards. Also not sure about British and Italian sounding Romulans. It seems to me aliens should at least sound a little less human than they do.

Jason