Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Ar-Pharazon]

I imagine the Federation didn't represent the entirety of Romulan rescue efforts.

Cousin Gaila offered his personal fleet for evac...for a price. 1 strip of gold pressed latinum per head would be a tidy profit.

And before you throw out Rom as the "kinder, gentler Grand Nagus", Gaila hardly seemed like the type to follow rules all that closely.

 

[Alan Roi]

"Save the alley graffiti!! Oh, and while we're at it the 400-year-old electrical conduit and junction boxes."

AUTHENTICITY!!

 

[Nyotarules]

PLEASE don't let Picard's caretakers be Tal Shiar agents. Let them be grateful, kind refugees who are nice people.

No reason why they cannot be both

If anybody went looking, all they would find is the original data from the Federation Charter and perhaps info that it was once a division of Star Fleet Intelligence.

Unless they were ambassador Sarek

There was even graffiti in that alley in the city that the android girl was at. Does this mean there are gangs in the future? If so, whatever happened to crime and deviance being basically eliminated in the 24th century?

The Orion syndicate made crime fashionable again, plus graffiti in the 24th century is public free art

As a ds9 fan, strange that romulans being alliea during the dominion war as justification to save them wasn't brought up

The Romulans are like the Russians in WW2 and the cold war,

 

[Jesse1066]

Her character wore contact lenses?

I didn't realize Betazoids have black contacts until I watched Voyager. For some reason they stood out to me a lot more on Lon Suder than on Deanna.

 

[Greg Cox]

If I had one criticism, it was Picard not snapping back at the interviewer where she said that the Romulans were the federations oldest enemy, and Picard's response should have been "Well, they did help us win the Dominion War". It's simple, and it throws a bone to the DS9 fans that yes, the Dominion War is still part of the Federation's history.

Problem with that is that it makes it a transactional thing, that we should help the Romulans because we owe them one, which goes against the main thrust of Picard's argument: that all lives matter, just because.

That principle is way more important than tipping the hat to DS9.

 

[tomalak301]

Problem with that is that it makes it a transactional thing, that we should help the Romulans because we owe them one, which goes against the main thrust of Picard's argument: that all lives matter, just because.

That principle is way more important than tipping the hat to DS9.

But the indication that the Romulans were the Federations oldest enemy is kinda wrong if the Romulans are no longer the enemy. I mean not just the dominion war, but if Nemesis was such a big stepping stone for this series, the ending of that movie showed the Federation and Romulans almost on the brink of peace. Nemesis and the Dominion War shouldn't be too difficult to forget during this time.

 

[Nyotarules]

Then there are the androids... so, their rights as sentient beings got revoked (which Picard fought so hard for) because some of them went rogue... (fortunately, humans don't lose their sentience as a species after some of them comitted atrocities that cost millions of life... and still comit those atrocities... just saying). Picard's outrage was palpable and relatable.

Yeah I find that plot point in Star Trek annoying and stupid but its a common trope.

 

[cooleddie74]

You can tell that Lt. Stadi was Betazoid even without Tom Paris pointing it out. Her eyes were so dark.

 

[thribs]

I wonder with the show being TV-MA they could finally show Betazed. We know there is a lot of nudity there, and crazy colourful hair.

 

[Greg Cox]

But the indication that the Romulans were the Federations oldest enemy is kinda wrong if the Romulans are no longer the enemy. I mean not just the dominion war, but if Nemesis was such a big stepping stone for this series, the ending of that movie showed the Federation and Romulans almost on the brink of peace. Nemesis and the Dominion War shouldn't be too difficult to forget during this time.

I don't think they were forgotten, but a lot can happen in the umpteen years since DS9 and NEMESIS.

As has already been noted a few times, the USA and Russia were allies against the Axis powers, but turned into mortal enemies about twenty minutes after the end of World War II . . . if not earlier. And, alas, being on "the brink of peace" is hardly a guarantee of peace for decades to come. Remember the Camp David Accords of 1978? That was more than forty years ago, and hailed as a historic breakthrough, and yet . . . did it lead to lasting peace in the Middle East?

 

[Paradise City]

But the indication that the Romulans were the Federations oldest enemy is kinda wrong if the Romulans are no longer the enemy. I mean not just the dominion war, but if Nemesis was such a big stepping stone for this series, the ending of that movie showed the Federation and Romulans almost on the brink of peace. Nemesis and the Dominion War shouldn't be too difficult to forget during this time.

What I gathered is that synth attack is cardinal here. Via Data and I suppose to whatever degree The Doctor, the synths get their rights - but then what happens when they get these rights? An apparent betrayal and an attack on Mars; the heart of the Federation.

The trauma of this casts doubt on the correctness of Federation values in the minds of Federation leaders and the Federation loses confidence in its founding ethos.

And with the Romulan catastrophe sending squillions of refugees over - the Federations baulks at this and fears grow they are letting hostiles in. They perhaps have visions of ex-Tal Shiar conspirators or aggrieved Romulan fanatics within the Federation abusing Federation safe harbour, causing mayhem. The Romulans are, afterall, a militarised people.

Picard would probably appreciate the security implications but he'd make the intervention that only by shouldering these security challenges and rendering aid and sanctuary all the same; can the Federation honour its ethos. Whereas the Federation doubts its own values, Picard remains an unabashed champion of those values.

 

[Alan Roi]

Don't forget "Babylon-5 vs. DS9," "Disco vs. Orville," "Star Trek vs. Star Wars," "Marvel vs. DC." etc.

The internet loves it feuds.

IMO, it's more that certain folks have their personal identity tied up in their personal favorite being objectively better than anyone elses personal favorite.

 

[Gonzo]

I don't think they were forgotten, but a lot can happen in the umpteen years since DS9 and NEMESIS.

As has already been noted a few times, the USA and Russia were allies against the Axis powers, but turned into mortal enemies about twenty minutes after the end of World War II . . . if not earlier. And, alas, being on "the brink of peace" is hardly a guarantee of peace for decades to come. Remember the Camp David Accords of 1978? That was more than forty years ago, and hailed as a historic breakthrough, and yet . . . did it lead to lasting peace in the Middle East?

Like I have said before, an enemy today can be a friend tomorrow and vice versa.

Even if two sides want peace there will always be at least one other side that does not.

Then it becomes a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, until they are not, again...

 

[Rahul]

Don't forget "Babylon-5 vs. DS9," "Disco vs. Orville," "Star Trek vs. Star Wars," "Marvel vs. DC." etc.

The internet loves it feuds.

That stuff is just natural. Ski vs. Snowboard. Windsurfing vs. wavesurfing. Tetris vs. Pinball.
From the outside, they're each similar to each other. But if you really care and invest your time with each, the little differences become oh so more noticeable, and with like-minded people a good way to distinguish one's very personal preferences.

I just don't give a damn about people on the internet being rude about it - because honestly, text messaging makes it hard to judge weather something was meant ironic, hyperbole or at face value. But overall these debates are very natural in all parts of life, so I can't get the complaints against it.

 

[Gonzo]

IMO, it's more that certain folks have their personal identity tied up in their personal favorite being objectively better than anyone elses personal favorite.

Which is the internet in a nutshell these days, mores the pity.

 

[Alan Roi]

That stuff is just natural. Ski vs. Snowboard. Windsurfing vs. wavesurfing. Tetris vs. Pinball.
From the outside, they're each similar to each other. But if you really care and invest your time with each, the little differences become oh so more noticeable, and with like-minded people a good way to distinguish one's very personal preferences.

I just don't give a damn about people on the internet being rude about it - because honestly, text messaging makes it hard to judge weather something was meant ironic, hyperbole or at face value. But overall these debates are very natural in all parts of life, so I can't get the complaints against it.

It kind of gets a bit much when fans of Tetris or Snowboarding start claiming that it fixes all the things that pinball or skiing got wrong. Oh, wait, no they don't.

 

[AgentCoop]

I just can't imagine a situation where two works from the same franchise that are being produced at the same time wouldn't be compared to each other. I mean, if an individual has no interest in making that comparison, fine. But to think it's unreasonable for others to do it seems a little bizarre to me. That's just not how people are.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

It's not really physical "parts", it's, like, particles from his brain. Like positrons or something. I can't remember the explanation, it was a little confusing.

His mind is holographic..not as in a Trek hologram but it's fractal. With the memories being in the pattern. So you can use parts of it and grow it.

 

[Greg Cox]

It kind of gets a bit much when fans of Tetris or Snowboarding start claiming that it fixes all the things that pinball or skiing got wrong. Oh, wait, no they don't.

Or when they insist that nobody really likes Tetris, but are just paid plants or whatever. And that all "true" gamers realize that Tetris is the best and that the very existence of Pinball spits in the face of the "real" gaming fans.

I recall at least one Trekkie friend of mine who, I swear, would have rather died than say anything good about Babylon-5.

Comparisons are fine. Tribalism not so much.

 

[DaveyNY]

It was artistic expression, of course.

And, honestly, even today graffiti is hardly the sole province of gangs. I'm sure they have rebellious teenagers and avant-garde street artists in the future.

... least we forget that humans have been drawing on walls since the dawn of the caveman...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journey-oldest-cave-paintings-world-180957685/