Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[SolarisOne]

This is a government that outlawed Romulan Ale for a century or longer. Enough said.

*Cuban cigars

 

[Lord Garth]

Hard Numbers for people who like those: "Remembrance" is the second-highest regarded episode in this new era (at least on this board), right behind "If Memory Serves". If you wanted to know how it compared.

The ratings in the poll in this thread are different than the ones in DSC, so in order to make the DSC ratings match the ones in here, I made 9-10 "Excellent", 7-8 "Good", 5-6 "Average" (which I'll call "Fair"), 3-4 "Below Average", and 1-2 "Poor". I'll just combine the last two groups and call them "Poor".

These are the percentages for the five highest-rated episodes:

Episode --> Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor
1. "If Memory Serves" (DSC S2 E8) --> 76% / 20% / 3% / 1% (link)
2. "Remembrance" (PIC S1 E1) --> 67% / 26% / 6% / 1%
3. "Into the Forest I Go" (DSC S1 E9) --> 71% / 21% / 5% / 3% (link)
4. "Despite Yourself" (DSC S1 E10) --> 68% / 23% / 6% / 3% (link)
5. "New Eden" (DSC S2 E2) --> 52% / 40% / 4% / 4% (link)

I weighted these by adding the "Excellent" percentage with the "Good" percentage, then subtracting the "Poor" percentage. I didn't add or subtract anything with "Fair".

 

[ITDUDE]

Goes to show you how inaccurate these polls are. To think that any episode of Discovery would be rated higher than Picard...

 

[Terok Nor]

If the Discovery episode is the one about the Talosians then it's the only Discovery episode that comes close to Picard's first episode so it makes sense.

 

[cooleddie74]

*Cuban cigars

Yep. And both bans never made any sense except, well, Cold War politics. One real world 20th and 21st century and the other a fictional 23rd and 24th century.

 

[Lord Garth]

Goes to show you how inaccurate these polls are. To think that any episode of Discovery would be rated higher than Picard...

IMDB has "Remembrance" (PIC) at 8.9 and "If Memory Serves" (DSC) at 8.3. But that's not the highest-rated DSC episode on IMDB. It's only the second. The highest-rated DSC episode is "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II" which got an 8.4 over there.

That last bit of info will probably make some heads spin over here.

 

[cooleddie74]

"New Eden(DSC)" is my favorite episode to date of that series.

 

[Quinton]

It's not clear if Picard is in 2397 or 2399. Even Memory Alpha fans do not seem to have decided on a date.

Patrick said the show was 20 years after Nemesis (2399). But Kurtzman and other producers said Jean Luc is 92, which would put the show in 2397 (and also the 10th anniversary of the 2387 supernova, although the show just said anniversary), and references to 20 years/30 years ago would be rounding.

Going by the licensed, but unofficial, Picard Countdown prequel comic, the attack on Mars happens in 2385, a few years before the supernova.

Thank you. I’m gonna go with 2397 until further notice, methinks!

 

[NCC-73515]

They put the Starfleet command on the wrong side of the bridge in the shot where Dahj is trying to find Picard. It should be on the right side, in that bay. also appears to be a modern day Satellite image.

All these pictures were regular satellite/plane pictures. In TVH and TUC, there are SF buildings around Spencer as well. Nice overview here:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/starfleet_buildings.htm

I think I found an Andorian
Chabon also posted this image somewhere

There are at least 2 walking around the transporter gates in front of SFHQ in the trailers and previews. Nice to see they got their eyebrows back, but they should be white

Doesn’t the China space agency also use an arrowhead?

And the Russian one too, so once Earth is united, UESPA can simply continue with the arrowhead XD

However, I did google the coordinates on that screen, and it put me in San Francisco, but on the wrong side of the bay, at a Bank of America building

Since a major quake sunk Santa Monica, coordinates could have shifted. Adjust for continental drift...?

I just mean with the way we saw that explosion take Picard out. It just feels weird that the next scene is him a sleep on the couch.

It's still stupidly handled that there was a massive explosion and the next thing we see is Picard waking up on his own couch. Not being tended to by doctors or questioned by the police.

That's on purpose, cause they covered it up

I liked Dahj and was pretty happy when they let us know she was a twin. I don’t recall Dahj mentioning a sister, but hard to see only one of the sisters knowing about the other.

She could be the real human who constructed Dahj

There was even graffiti in that alley in the city that the android girl was at. Does this mean there are gangs in the future? If so, whatever happened to crime and deviance being basically eliminated in the 24th century?

Graffiti could be legal in some streets, or the police/cleaning forces simply remove them effortlessly, so nobody cares

For me, the dream sequences were the best.
"I don't want the game to end" was very emotional.

I'd watch an entire show (maybe a Short Trek at least?) of just his dreams!

I keep coming back to the necklace and the Thalaron weapon too. This could be why Picards eye was first drawn to it. I have a few theories around that, but they are all too silly tbh.

How is the weapon connected to the necklace? The weapon had a flower-like cover that folded out, and a helical structure in the beam as it formed. The necklace is a symbol of marriage, actually XD

Having watched the original version twice I just gave the German dubbing a try. In this version the Romulan agent tells the other to speak ".Föderations-Standard/Federation Standard", which I consider a quite smart translation.

They should have just said, "German" implying that German was Federation standard in the 24th Century.

Hoshi saying "He could barely speak English" was changed in the German version to "He could barely speak our language". Sometimes they translate it really well. But sometimes "mist" becomes "Mist" XD

 

[cooleddie74]

I like the return to TOS and TNG hairstyles for Andorians, though my all-time favorite Andorian makeup is that used on ENT.

 

[Quinton]

I like the return to TOS and TNG hairstyles for Andorians, though my all-time favorite Andorian makeup is that used on ENT.

I knew there was still something missing! It’s not quite the ENT look — that’s what it is. Those are still peak Andorians for sure.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, which is part of why I like the DSC Andorian makeup so much. It's essentially the ENT makeup with a deeper blue color and those little protuberances above their eyebrows.

Oh, yeah, and those contact lenses I can't stand. I'd ditch those.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Yeah, which is part of why I like the DSC Andorian makeup so much. It's essentially the ENT makeup with a deeper blue color and those little protuberances above their eyebrows.

Oh, yeah, and those contact lenses I can't stand. I'd ditch those.

I'm sure that the actors playing the Andorians agree with that sentiment. They look uncomfortable.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That and the fact that the main character in PICARD is in no way as reviled by many, as the main character in DISCOVERY is.
(silly though that may be)

Which is funny because they both solve problems with long winded speeches.

 

[Danja]

I'm guessing this is going to be followed up by Dahj returning from the dead and both twins being mistaken for one another at some point.

I expect better than some stale, hackneyed plotline from a Pulitzer Prize winner.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm guessing this is going to be followed up by Dahj returning from the dead and both twins being mistaken for one another at some point.

I expect better than some stale, hackneyed plotline from a Pulitzer Prize winner.

What's you favourite parent trap movie?

 

[FreddyE]

Okay..I loved the episode though its a bit obvious where this will be going: Find Bruce Maddox, who slipped under the radar while trying to find a way to resurrect Data. End of Episode 10: Data turning up saying "Greetings".

This whole buisness about "beeing able to grow back Datas essence from just one positron".... makes it pretty obvious.

 

[Trekker4747]

Trek has always been a bit fast and loose with the technobabble but "most" of the time they tried to stay within the realm of some kind of "reality" and the notion they could bring back all of Data, even his memories from one positron seems.... Stupid. I mean, how would something like that even work? How could one positron contain the data to recreate all of his memories?

And you're telling me they think they were 1000 years away from creating the kind of android Dahj is and Maddox apparently just pissed away and built two within a few years?

 

[NCC-73515]

None of us know how much information a positronic neuron can contain. It's a positronic neuron, not a neuronal positron

 

[Trekker4747]

None of us know how much information a positronic neuron can contain. It's a positronic neuron, not a neuronal positron

So if a positronic neuron can contain all of Data's memories and such, seems like you don't need more than one to have a functioning android.