Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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  1. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    But this is a small rogue android group that attacked a singular facility and by all apperances, had little interest in killing humans. A fleet of vessels attacking a planet and only killing a tiny portion of the population there isn't a full scale planetary uprising. It's a surgical strike.
     
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  2. El Maestro

    El Maestro Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Related to Picard getting winded, one of my favorite things about the first episode was the characterization of Picard. It was actually Picard, not that weirdo action hero guy from the movies. I was worried they would "Skywalker" him but instead showed a truly three-dimensional person, the same character at the core yet able to incorporate a couple of decades worth of experiences. Just great writing and performing by Stewart.
     
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  3. Jedman67

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    I assume it was some kind of poison; perhaps the 24th century equivalent to a cyanide hidden in a false tooth.
    Agreed with that, but as Data was only a dream it can be forgiven.

    Have to say tho, that the use of replicants as the villains of the piece was an unexpected twist.
     
  4. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They overdid Picard looking out of place in the fight scene though. At the least he should have pulled out a handheld phaser and made a few missed shots, or immediately started calling Federation police on his communicator.

    Someone with as many enemies as he had should definitely have prepared for the possibility of a sudden attack, even during retirement.
     
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    "Look in the mirror, Admiral. The Federation is old." Insurrection

    Damn he's got a point. I hate seeing frail Picard. Right now he can't even be the Arbiter of Stairs, let alone Succession. Hate that.

    Yet...

    His speeches are anything but. Love that fire still burning hot inside him like radioactive Earl Grey. No one can do them like Sir Patrick!

    You know, I think I watch Star Trek just for the speeches.
     
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  6. Vger23

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    Didn't they imply somehow that the synth attack on Mars was specifically in opposition to the plan to aid Romulus? I can't remember, but I thought that was part of it...which indirectly made Picard, the architect of the rescue plan, responsible.

    Did I imagine that?
     
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  7. Yistaan

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    I think so. No motivations were shown for the synth attack at all that I can recall. Which is even more unbelievable and really ties into the "Evil AI" cliches for me. Even the Doctor on Voyager had his grievances handled with tact by the writers.
     
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  8. Discofan

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    I am surprised they even need someone to call the police. One would think that they would have long-distance sensors that would detect a weapon's fight and automatically beam policemen when needed, all the more since it was in the middle of a city.
     
  9. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    Picard states that they still don't know the reason for the attack. Mind you, he has been out of the loop for a while, but no one contradicts him.
     
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  10. BillJ

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    Nothing about Synth motivation in the first episode. Though I don't doubt that Picard got a lot of the blame since it was his mission that was the target of the attack.
     
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  11. Yistaan

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    Yep. Although perhaps the attackers sabotaged those sensors beforehand.

    Also, the reveal of "twins" at the end came out of nowhere as a result of a technobabble discussion that made no sense (why would the cloned positron particle have to be in twins? because reasons apparently and a necklace).

    The idea that all of Data's memories and personality can be encoded into every one of his positrons was also a technobabble stretch that makes little logical sense.
     
  12. Greg Cox

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    I don't know. It wasn't just a couple of stray androids in a couple of episodes. Kirk was constantly taking on god-like computers that were ruling entire planets. "Return of the Archons," "The Apple," "Spock's Brain," "For the World is Hollow, etc. And then there was "The Ultimate Computer" and "Court-Martial."

    "Man vs. machine" was a recurring theme on TOS. Samuel Cogley, Lenore Karidian, and even the space hippies had strong opinions on the subject.
     
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    Old Earth and then The Federation bans augmented, genetically enhanced people since all augmented humans are evil just as all real, regular humans are as good as gold so don't need a ban. The concept is stupid but very Star Trek.
     
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  14. BillJ

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    Is there any indication that Maddox knows of the existence of Lore?
     
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  15. Yistaan

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    You're absolutely right.

    So, can't wait for the mention of Romulan hating Worf on this show.

    Picard: "So Worf and I stopped talking for good after I hired my Romulan friends. We were already on shaky ground after I championed evacuating the Romulan supernova, he just said at the time 'Let them die.'

    Worf hates all Romulans, won't even give them blood transfusions and all that. The last thing he said to me was 'If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!'"
     
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  16. XCV330

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    regarding Picard's disagreement's with the Admiralty and Federation about Starfleet's reaction: I wonder if Adm. Janeway sided with Picard or if she embraced the new paradigm.
     
  17. Yistaan

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    They should have had her be that Admiral lady that Picard argues with in the trailer! :lol:
     
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    I voted "Good" which matches up with my 8/10 thought about the overall rating. I have a feeling it will only get better!
     
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  19. Yistaan

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    Worf's the villain. :klingon: He sabotaged the synths to prevent Romulus from being evacuated. There, I saved all of us a few months of CBS All Access fees. :lol:
     
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  20. PiotrB

    PiotrB Commander Red Shirt

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    As in the case of the DSC, the actual series will start with the 4th episode because the first 3 is the pilot:
     
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