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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

JJ Abrams and Bad Robot are working on an onscreen adaptation of Justice League Dark, they aren't sure yet if it will be a TV series or a movie. It also sounds like there's a possibility that we could get single character solo stories before a big team up.
I really liked the first trade of the original JLD series when I read it a few years ago, and it seems like it has a ton of potential for a TV or movie series.
They've gone through quite a few members, but I would think we'd at least see Constantine, Zatanna, and Deadman since they seem to be the most consistent members.
 
The JL Dark is a good concept , ruined in the comics the first couple of times it was tried by the constant, infuriating deification of John Constantine by some comic writers. If he could be used as he should, as the "dark/demonic" focused guy and not as some uber powerful person that everyone loves and who is the greatest at everything (like the JL Dark animated movie and New 52 series did, even making him responsible for Zatanna's skills because a woman can't be strong without a man in this context because that would mean John Constantine isn't the greatest or strongest magic user on the team, and some comic writers just can't have that :censored:), then I'd be up for it.

In the comics, the current JL Dark without Constantine and lead by Wonder woman is pretty good. I like the idea of a magical JL, but I'm going to need to be convinced that its not just going to be "The John Constantine Show guest starring the JLD" before I'm excited in a potential movies or TV series.

As for Abrams, he made two terrible Star Trek movies and two great Star Wars movies, so I honestly how no idea how he'd be with the concept. I wish we'd gotten the Guillermo Del Toro movie that was being teased years ago, but as it is I don't really have an opinion on Abrams doing a JLD thing until we get more solid information on the direction they want to go with it.
 
Del Toro also seems a better fit for this material to me, but I have liked (if not necessarily loved) most films by JJ so I will give this a chance.
 
Captaindemotion said:
Del Toro also seems a better fit for this material to me, but I have liked (if not necessarily loved) most films by JJ so I will give this a chance.
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Bad Robot producing the movie doesn't mean Abrams will direct. So far, of the 16 feature films BR has produced, Abrams has directed only 5 -- two Star Trek films, two Star Wars films, and Super 8. (It's an odd anomaly that Abrams didn't produce the one and only Mission: Impossible film he directed.)
 
crookeddy said:
I honestly liked the BvS more than Man of Steel, because Papa Kent bothered me. He really admonished Clark for saving a bus full of children??
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crookeddy said:
Pa Kents teachings would have raised a supervillain, not Superman.
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Superman has always been concerned about keeping his identity a secret and in the movie his father didn't exactly say he shouldn't have saved them just that risking revealing his powers was a serious danger.
 
suarezguy said:
Superman has always been concerned about keeping his identity a secret and in the movie his father didn't exactly say he shouldn't have saved them just that risking revealing his powers was a serious danger.
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Secret IDs are an outdated and rather rubbish idea.
 
theenglish said:
Other than the difficulty of maintaining one with modern technology, I would say they are more relevant than ever. It's not just the evil villains you need to worry about.
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It didn't hamper Steve, Black Widow, Hawkeye any.

Hell, Hulk's life got EASIER once people knew who he was.

Tony didn't suffer too much either.
 
theenglish said:
Other than the difficulty of maintaining one with modern technology, I would say they are more relevant than ever. It's not just the evil villains you need to worry about.
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Agreed. In an era of 'round the clock intrusion through social media, online business, etc., the need for anonymity is greater than ever before. For someone with a secret to protect on the magnitude of a superhero, its the supreme priority.

Nerys Myk said:
Spider-Man wouldn't be the same character without the problem the heroic identity creates for Peter's private life.
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:bolian:

^ Posted like someone who actually knows how the secret identity issue adds to the development of the character, his fears for the lives of those in his civilian life if his secret was exposed, etc. That's one of the defining hallmarks of Spider-Man, and has been the center of his greatest published stories.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Spider-Man wouldn't be the same character without the problem the heroic identity creates for Peter's private life.
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Nah, the times where Aunt May found out Peter was Spidey were some of the best moments in the comics. Same with Mary Jane revealing she knew all along.

His whole "No one can ever know my secret!" thing got old, real fast.

TREK_GOD_1 said:
Agreed. In an era of 'round the clock intrusion through social media, online business, etc., the need for anonymity is greater than ever before. For someone with a secret to protect on the magnitude of a superhero, its the supreme priority
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Lack of a secret ID never hurt Widow, Captain America, Hawkeye. Iron Man it does cause problems, but not as many as if he kept it a secret.

Posted like someone who actually knows how the secret identity issue adds to the development of the character, his fears for the lives of those in his civilian life if his secret was exposed, etc.
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Stories where Aunt May find out Peter is Spider-Man have been some of the best ones ever written in his history.

And Amy Adams' knowing Clark was Superman and being his confidant from Day One was a great idea too.
 
Christopher said:
Bad Robot producing the movie doesn't mean Abrams will direct. So far, of the 16 feature films BR has produced, Abrams has directed only 5 -- two Star Trek films, two Star Wars films, and Super 8. (It's an odd anomaly that Abrams didn't produce the one and only Mission: Impossible film he directed.)
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I'm surprised as I thought he had directed Cloverfield also, but I guess not.
 
Anwar said:
Nah, the times where Aunt May found out Peter was Spidey were some of the best moments in the comics. Same with Mary Jane revealing she knew all along.

His whole "No one can ever know my secret!" thing got old, real fast.



Lack of a secret ID never hurt Widow, Captain America, Hawkeye. Iron Man it does cause problems, but not as many as if he kept it a secret.



Stories where Aunt May find out Peter is Spider-Man have been some of the best ones ever written in his history.

And Amy Adams' knowing Clark was Superman and being his confidant from Day One was a great idea too.
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"Secret identity" doesn't equal "No one must ever know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

As with all things, there is room for variety. I think Spider-Man and Daredevil did a good job of wrestling with these themes. More interesting that just "I'm Iron-Man!"
 
I'm Ironman worked for Tony Stark because he had no family that he put in danger, and Pepper was so close to him that he figured he could protect her anyway. For a superhero who also has a private life though, the story would be different.
 
The idea that keeping your loved ones ignorant of your heroic identity helps protect them is hypocritical, especially in the usual superhero context where the same people interact regularly with both the civilian and superhero identities. Villains are just as likely to capture and torture them either way, since the villains don't know in advance whether they know the identity or not. So keeping them in the dark won't spare them from torture, it'll just spare the hero from being discovered. It's something a hero does to protect oneself, not one's family and friends.

If anything, the loved ones would be safer if they did know the truth, because then they'd know of the potential threat to their safety and be able to prepare for it. As a rule, ignorance never makes people safer, just more vulnerable.

I've recently started watching one of the various Ultraman series from Japan, and I don't understand why the hero, a member of a military organization that fights the same monsters Ultraman does, hasn't told his teammates that he's the guy who turns into Ultraman. You'd think that would be a valuable thing for his team to know, and they could work together better if he weren't hiding his abilities from his own teammates and commanding officers. I don't see any good reason for them not to know. Since they're fighting monsters all the time anyway, it's not like they'd be in any greater danger than they already are. (The only clue I've gotten is an episode where a scientist with the organization proved all too eager to take a friendly alien to his lab and dissect it.)

Similarly with the various early Kamen Rider series where the Rider keeps his identity secret from most of the teammates he works with in both identities as they fight the evil organization -- even though the evil organization already knows exactly who he is! Why keep it secret from your allies but not your enemies? That's totally backward!
 
I can see superheroes keeping their identities secret from the general public, but I like it better when they tell their friends, family, teammates, ect.
 
fireproof78 said:
"Secret identity" doesn't equal "No one must ever know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

As with all things, there is room for variety. I think Spider-Man and Daredevil did a good job of wrestling with these themes. More interesting that just "I'm Iron-Man!"
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Christopher said:
The idea that keeping your loved ones ignorant of your heroic identity helps protect them is hypocritical, especially in the usual superhero context where the same people interact regularly with both the civilian and superhero identities. Villains are just as likely to capture and torture them either way, since the villains don't know in advance whether they know the identity or not. So keeping them in the dark won't spare them from torture, it'll just spare the hero from being discovered. It's something a hero does to protect oneself, not one's family and friends.

If anything, the loved ones would be safer if they did know the truth, because then they'd know of the potential threat to their safety and be able to prepare for it. As a rule, ignorance never makes people safer, just more vulnerable.

I've recently started watching one of the various Ultraman series from Japan, and I don't understand why the hero, a member of a military organization that fights the same monsters Ultraman does, hasn't told his teammates that he's the guy who turns into Ultraman. You'd think that would be a valuable thing for his team to know, and they could work together better if he weren't hiding his abilities from his own teammates and commanding officers. I don't see any good reason for them not to know. Since they're fighting monsters all the time anyway, it's not like they'd be in any greater danger than they already are. (The only clue I've gotten is an episode where a scientist with the organization proved all too eager to take a friendly alien to his lab and dissect it.)

Similarly with the various early Kamen Rider series where the Rider keeps his identity secret from most of the teammates he works with in both identities as they fight the evil organization -- even though the evil organization already knows exactly who he is! Why keep it secret from your allies but not your enemies? That's totally backward!
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JD said:
I can see superheroes keeping their identities secret from the general public, but I like it better when they tell their friends, family, teammates, ect.
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The one thing I really loved about the JMS story where May found out Peter was Spider-Man was where Peter realized the real reason he never told her wasn't because he was trying to protect her...it was because he didn't want to have to tell her the real reason he's Spider-Man and how it tied to what happened to Ben.

Naturally, when he does finally own up and tell her about what happened to Ben she immediately refuses to let him act like he killed Ben directly and that he couldn't have known what would happen.

Yes, keeping it a secret from everyone really isn't all that noble or heroic.

Especially the way Superman did it, creating the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle.

That isn't romantic or tragic, it's Clark being a douchebag who is taking pleasure playing a sick mind game with Lois.
 
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