Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by The Old Mixer, Jan 8, 2020.

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  1. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Ignoring that bullshit leads to a happier life!
     
  2. JirinPanthosa

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    Overall I thought it was awesome. Just the direction I hoped they’d bring the philosophical focus of the show, only I’d have liked if they also mentioned the Dominion for the reason for fear.

    There’s nitpicks of course. Given what we know of medical science Daj should have immediately transported her boyfriend to a hospital on the off chance she could save him and get him his own artificial heart.

    Also I’m henceforth referring to Data’s neurons as his katra.

    The best part was Picard’s interview with the Targ News reporter. I’m also unclear, are all those people half Romulans? Some seem too old for that. Unless they were also POW situations.

    Very curious what’s going on with that cube.

    Also I love how in five minutes they made a character hated for 30 years into a rogue hero.
     
  3. Krandor

    Krandor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I have a ton of respect for them and think they did a great job.

    my only issue is that by enterprise and running things for so many years I think they ran out of ideas and new blood was needed if there had been a post ent show.
     
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  4. jaime

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    Watch the movie. That outright isn’t what happens or is in any way the ‘message’.
     
  5. jaime

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    I was semi+joking.
     
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  6. Datasbeard

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    Yes, I hope that’s one of the surprises they have in store for us—a non-dream appearance by Spiner, either as B4 or Lore.
     
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  7. Crewman6

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    Sadly, towards the end of his life, Gene's "vision" had gotten pretty wonky. He so bought into the hype about the "optimistic" future of Star Trek that he thought every Star Trek character should be a totally perfect person with no flaws whatsoever. The writers struggled to work around that nonsense as much as possible. He didn't think the Star Trek characters should struggle to be better because they were already the best they could be.

    Thankfully, Star Trek doesn't have to deal with that anymore.
     
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  8. Lord Garth

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    Yes. Showing B4 in the drawer was the perfect way to keep people from wondering, "But what about B4?" They answered a lingering question from the "previous" installment and now we can just forget about him.

    Works for me!
     
  9. Krandor

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    especially Picard. He fought episodes like captains holiday or anything that might show any kind of weakness or flaw in Picard.
     
  10. Datasbeard

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    Are screen grabs from CBS permitted?
    That works too.
     
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  11. Relayer1

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    Really couldn't give a flying frack about Gene's vision.

    I'm a Niner and that dumped all over "the vision" anyway .
     
  12. jaime

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    Genes vision was fountains of cum and triple breasted betazoids by that point allegedly.
    It’s more complex than that, and both the pure ‘genes vision’ but especially the ‘gene drank his own kool aid’ camp have got it wrong. For a start the groundwork for Trek as utopia is right there in TOS, but people get excited by Mudds Women and whathaveyou. Then there’s the TMP novelisation really setting the course.
     
  13. Crewman6

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    He doesn't necessarily have a role to play. It was necessary to touch on B4 as backstory, since he would be the only plausible story link they could use between Data and Dahj. (Well, Lore, but they're clearly ignoring that for now.)

    I would be shocked if B4 is brought up again, except possibly in passing reference to how the Dahj twins were created.
     
  14. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    And how will you know if it stands on its own if you won't watch it?
    How could you, if you won't watch one of them?

    Of course, you're free to choose not to watch. But I'm finding all of the recent drama-bordering-on-martyrdom about choosing not watch a bit tiresome.
     
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  15. BillJ

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    I think it shows how insidious the fear that invaded the Federation is. They shut down a mentally-handicapped AI.
     
  16. Hythlodeus

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    so you're saying that midway through the movie Holden didn't convince /emotionally blackmail Alyssa into a sexual relationship that only didn't last because of his own insecurities?

    Anyway, that has nothing to do with PIC, so let's move on
     
  17. jaime

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    I don’t think it did, and nor did the people writing DS9. DS9 reinforces it if anything.
     
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  18. BillJ

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    DS9 fans love the martyr role! :lol:
     
  19. cooleddie74

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    This thread is nonstop activity. It's nice to see!

    It's...

     
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  20. SolarisOne

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    This was one of the best episodes of Star Trek I've ever seen, and definitely the best premiere (sorry, DS9, I love you, but "Emissary" just got edged out). It was glorious.

    I'm glad that Sir Pat Stew and Kurtzman kept their promise to not make Picard TNG 2.0. We've already had two mediocre copies of TNG--no need for any more, even with the original cast.

    There were lots of references to the Berman era, but all of them fit within the narrative. Having a lot of them occur in dream sequences was a stroke of genius on the writers' part.

    I like the Romulans (Rihannsu) much better here than in the Berman era. They seem much closer to their TOS roots so far, with just a hint of Diane Duane's characterization sprinkled in.

    On top of all that, I think just the premiere alone has opened up an era ripe for fan fiction, especially since it is explicitly not focused on Starfleet. It's a boon, really.