Spoilers First impressions

[Voodoowoman2]

I finally got a streaming stick and began watching Discovery. I have watched all the series except Enterprise which I hated.
1. You certainly can't they get off to a slow start. Yet I am confused by some things.
Firstly. In TOS Amanda tells us Sarek did not approve of Starfleet yet here he is trying to rig a position for Michael with Starfleet. Then he is actively engaging in command level decisions. He's a diplomat. What gives?
I love Tilly. Finally a woman who isn't size zero.
The Klingons have morphed yet again into lizard creatures. Makes no sense. Next Generation Klingons were just right.
These new ones deserve to be eradicated. Sorry but eating people is beyond it.
Lots of cheap tricks like using Sarek and the Mirror Universe straight off the bat.
Campy Emperor Geordeau on her Iron Throne just makes me giggle. Only season one watched so far.

 

[NCC-73515]

S2 is much better, at least the first half!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Yeah they should have never gone to MU. And yeah the Klingons look awful.

But I think the eating people thing can be explained away by necessity, they were floating helplessly in space.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Pretty sure Worf and friends talked a lot about "eating the hearts of their enemies" in DS9.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Pretty sure Worf and friends talked a lot about "eating the hearts of their enemies" in DS9.

Yeah Kor mentioned eating an enemies heart and Kang specifically asked Jadzia if she would be willing to eat the heart of the Albino.

The Klingons are not nice people. They take glee in killing their enemies in the most horrific ways possible. An example of this comes from the DS9 episode 'Apocalypse Rising'. There's a scene were a Klingon warrior relates boarding a Federation starship and how he beheaded a tellarite helmsman before 'the pig could lift his weapon' and also how he fought the ships captain, a Benzite before ripping the breathing apparatus out of him, leading to a probable agonising death. So the notion that Discovery somehow depicts the Klingons in a bad light is totally laughable to me.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Sarek did not hate Starfleet. He merely preferred the Vulcan Science Academy, as an institution and as a vocation, over Starfleet. And if dad couldn't get both of his kids into Harvard, wouldn't he strive for Yale?

 

[Jayson1]

Pretty sure Worf and friends talked a lot about "eating the hearts of their enemies" in DS9.

I'm sure they just nibble a little out of tradition and then go back to eating the food they like.

Jason

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Sarek did not hate Starfleet. He merely preferred the Vulcan Science Academy, as an institution and as a vocation, over Starfleet. And if dad couldn't get both of his kids into Harvard, wouldn't he strive for Yale?

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Well Amanda says Sarek disapproved of Starfleet in total. Spocks decision to go there caused them not to speak for 18 years. That's some pretty serious disapproval.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Well Amanda says Sarek disapproved of Starfleet in total. Spocks decision to go there caused them not to speak for 18 years. That's some pretty serious disapproval.

I stand by what I wrote.

KIRK: I take it that Spock disagreed with his father on a choice of career.
AMANDA: My husband has nothing against Starfleet. But Vulcans believe that peace should not depend on force.
KIRK: Starfleet force is used only as a last resort. We're an instrument of civilisation. And it's a better opportunity for a scientist to study the universe than he can get at the Vulcan Science Academy.
AMANDA: Perhaps. But Sarek wanted Spock to follow his teachings, as Sarek followed the teachings of his own father.​

 

[serabine]

Well Amanda says Sarek disapproved of Starfleet in total. Spocks decision to go there caused them not to speak for 18 years. That's some pretty serious disapproval.

That's pretty much explained in Lethe. And it wasn't so much that Sarek disapproved of Starfleet, as much as what Spock's decision meant in light of his own choices earlier.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

I'm sure they just nibble a little out of tradition and then go back to eating the food they like.

Jason

Yes. And really, what are Klingons known for? Conquering, of course. It makes no sense for Klingons on a mobile starship to sit around hungry when they could simply fly it to a planet, conquer some natives for their resources, or even just hunt.

To paraphrase the Joker, what did they do cut off their balls or something?

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah Kor mentioned eating an enemies heart and Kang specifically asked Jadzia if she would be willing to eat the heart of the Albino.

The Klingons are not nice people. They take glee in killing their enemies in the most horrific ways possible. An example of this comes from the DS9 episode 'Apocalypse Rising'. There's a scene were a Klingon warrior relates boarding a Federation starship and how he beheaded a tellarite helmsman before 'the pig could lift his weapon' and also how he fought the ships captain, a Benzite before ripping the breathing apparatus out of him, leading to a probable agonising death. So the notion that Discovery somehow depicts the Klingons in a bad light is totally laughable to me.

Same here. I am consistently reminded of a review I read when TUC came out and how it highlighted Klingons and their crimes against the Federation. I don't understand this tendency to dismiss their bad sides for the sake of trying to make them Federation allies. The Klingons are conquerors, pure and simple. Kor and Mara state as much in TOS. They are regularly shown to be belligerents against the Federation, taking slaves, using prison camps and torture to accomplish their ends.

That they become Federation allies doesn't change any of these past things.

 

[Vger23]

Well Amanda says Sarek disapproved of Starfleet in total. Spocks decision to go there caused them not to speak for 18 years. That's some pretty serious disapproval.

The episode Lethe does an excellent job explaining exactly why Serek had his reservations about Spock not going to the Vulcan science academy. It was far better, and far more involved than just "disapproval of Starfleet, " as framed up in Journey to Babel.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Yes. And really, what are Klingons known for? Conquering, of course. It makes no sense for Klingons on a mobile starship to sit around hungry when they could simply fly it to a planet, conquer some natives for their resources, or even just hunt.

To paraphrase the Joker, what did they do cut off their balls or something?

The starship wasn't mobile. It was disabled during the battle of the binaries. L'rell and Voq had to salvage bits from the shenzhou to keep it going before kol decided to rescue them.

 

[Alan Roi]

I'm sure they just nibble a little out of tradition and then go back to eating the food they like.

Jason

Ghak?

 

[serabine]

The starship wasn't mobile. It was disabled during the battle of the binaries. L'rell and Voq had to salvage bits from the shenzhou to keep it going before kol decided to rescue them.

And the main reason they hadn't plundered the Shenzou for parts in the months prior had been ideological and sentimental on Voq's part, and very much sprung from T'Kuvma's cult being fueled by the desire for purity and freedom from the influence of outsiders.

 

[mdtauk]

They thinking behind the new Klingon design, was that this sect were isolationists and observed traditions of removing their hair during times of war, and showing the different styles of some of the Klingon houses.

The truth is Bryan Fuller wanted them bald and to look more alien and vicious.

Season 2 has them looking a little more Klingon like.

 

[BillJ]

The episode Lethe does an excellent job explaining exactly why Serek had his reservations about Spock not going to the Vulcan science academy. It was far better, and far more involved than just "disapproval of Starfleet, " as framed up in Journey to Babel.

This really rewrites "Journey to Babel". It wasn't so much about Starfleet, but Spock's refusal to follow in Sarek's footsteps. It really doesn't make any sense within the context of "Journey...". Designed to show that Spock and Sarek were different people with different views of the world (like many fathers and sons). Something that carried all the way through to "Unification", where we learn that Spock openly opposed Sarek on how to deal with the Cardassians.

It is problematic when trying to rewrite a fifty-plus year old story to try and cram in a character that was never there to begin with. "But Sybok!!!", they didn't try to rewrite Spock to fit him in, we already knew Spock felt himself as an outcast from episodes like "Journey..." and "Yesteryear".

In practice, the whole connection was designed to give Michael Burnham instant credibility with fandom. For me it failed, though it all is a "mileage may vary" type of situation.

With season three, the cord is being cut and hopefully Michael Burnham can stand on her own as a character.

 

[BillJ]

They thinking behind the new Klingon design, was that this sect were isolationists and observed traditions of removing their hair during times of war, and showing the different styles of some of the Klingon houses.

All the Klingons we saw were bald. Even before aligning with T'Kuvma.