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I'm basically a walking unpopular TNG opinion.

- The first two seasons are my favorites - 2 is my fave, 1 is my second fave.
- I prefer episodes like "Lonely Among Us" over stuff like "The Inner Light".
- I like Dr. Pulaski so much that she's one of the major reasons why TNG's season 2 is my favorite.

Season 2 of TNG is also my favourite, and I love Pulaski - so you are certainly not alone there!

Having rewatched both this week, here's my unpopular opinion:

Star Trek Nemesis is a great film! (and TNG is my fave show). The cinematography is first rate, the editing (as one would expect with Baird directing) is good, the pace is terrific. The story was zipping along, and I glanced up - only twenty minutes in! Most of the reasons people give for not liking it (e.g. Picard in a dune buggy) just don't bother me.

Having rewatched Nemesis and enjoyed it so much, I then went back to the beginning and watched The Motion Picture. Enjoyed it a lot more than I used to. Yes, there are way more reaction shots as the crew observe something on the monitor than are needed, but the unique feel of this film makes it a worthy addition to the franchise. I also don't agree with criticism that the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship isn't there; it's more subdued, but there are definitely still moments (even the occasional look) to enjoy.

A few more unpopular opinions:

* I feel the 'demonisation' of Roddenberry has gone on long enough, and is as extremely OTT as all the Roddenberry-worshipping pre-1991 was, just from the other side. I am not oblivious to his many flaws, but it seems they are often seen in isolation by many fans away from positives.
* DS9 used to be an under-rated gem for much of its existence, now it feels over-rated
* DS9 was at its best in the first four seasons. Season 6-7 are pretty poor IMO (with some obvious exceptions).
* Discovery is enjoyable, and a decent addition to the franchise.
 
Season 2 of TNG is also my favourite, and I love Pulaski - so you are certainly not alone there!

Having rewatched both this week, here's my unpopular opinion:

Star Trek Nemesis is a great film! (and TNG is my fave show). The cinematography is first rate, the editing (as one would expect with Baird directing) is good, the pace is terrific. The story was zipping along, and I glanced up - only twenty minutes in! Most of the reasons people give for not liking it (e.g. Picard in a dune buggy) just don't bother me.

Having rewatched Nemesis and enjoyed it so much, I then went back to the beginning and watched The Motion Picture. Enjoyed it a lot more than I used to. Yes, there are way more reaction shots as the crew observe something on the monitor than are needed, but the unique feel of this film makes it a worthy addition to the franchise. I also don't agree with criticism that the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship isn't there; it's more subdued, but there are definitely still moments (even the occasional look) to enjoy.

A few more unpopular opinions:

* I feel the 'demonisation' of Roddenberry has gone on long enough, and is as extremely OTT as all the Roddenberry-worshipping pre-1991 was, just from the other side. I am not oblivious to his many flaws, but it seems they are often seen in isolation by many fans away from positives.
* DS9 used to be an under-rated gem for much of its existence, now it feels over-rated
* DS9 was at its best in the first four seasons. Season 6-7 are pretty poor IMO (with some obvious exceptions).
* Discovery is enjoyable, and a decent addition to the franchise.

I share most of those unpopular opinions to some extent except for Nemesis. I hold the popular opinion that it's not a good movie.

I've recently rewatched DS9's seasons 4-5 and I think that was DS9's peak. I found The Dominion more interesting before the war and I never liked the Odo-Kira romance.
 
* DS9 used to be an under-rated gem for much of its existence, now it feels over-rated
* DS9 was at its best in the first four seasons. Season 6-7 are pretty poor IMO (with some obvious exceptions)..

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There were conflicting "fanon" and off-screen speculations and explanations for the Klingon change practically the instant they appeared in TMP. Roddenberry and co. tried to handwave away the difference and say something along the lines of "Just imagine that they always looked that way."

This always worked just fine for me, but I was 3 when TMP came out (amazingly already watching the show though...and YES I can remember those days).

Around that time, the "Best of Trek" fanzines/books published an article by Leslie Thompson which decried the wholesale change to the entire Klingon species as "change for the sake of change" and "an affront to Star Trek fans."
Where have I heard that kind of thing before?

Then came the John M. Ford explanation in his novels, and in the FASA role-playing game, that the ridgy Klingons were pure Klingons, described as "Imperial Klingons," and the smooth-headed ones were Klingon-human hybrids that the Empire had bred to deal with the Federation; there were also Romulan-Klingon hybrids for dealing with the Romulans, etc.

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This was always the explanation I went with. It always made perfect sense to me. In a way, even after all these years and all these iterations on Klingons, this is still kind of "burned in" to my head canon.

Star Trek Nemesis is a great film! (and TNG is my fave show). The cinematography is first rate, the editing (as one would expect with Baird directing) is good, the pace is terrific. The story was zipping along, and I glanced up - only twenty minutes in! Most of the reasons people give for not liking it (e.g. Picard in a dune buggy) just don't bother me.

I agree. It's not a perfect film by any stretch, but none of the things that bother others have ever really phased me at all, and I find it very entertaining and fun to re-watch quite frequently.


The other big complaint you hear about Nemesis is that Shinzon's motivations make no sense. I also don't have a problem with this, because to me, it's clear that he's just a complete psychotic / sociopathic mass-murderer as a result of everything he's been through. He's literally just making stuff up as he goes as excuses to mind-rape and kill on a mass-scale. There IS no motivation that makes sense, that's what makes it so damn scary. "Some men just want to see the world burn"


Having rewatched Nemesis and enjoyed it so much, I then went back to the beginning and watched The Motion Picture. Enjoyed it a lot more than I used to. Yes, there are way more reaction shots as the crew observe something on the monitor than are needed, but the unique feel of this film makes it a worthy addition to the franchise. I also don't agree with criticism that the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship isn't there; it's more subdued, but there are definitely still moments (even the occasional look) to enjoy.

Agree. I love TMP. In fact, I feel it's one of the better movies for character stuff, because those characters and that relationship actually has a realistic arc throughout the movie. They start out a little cold and unsure of each other, because they've all been away and have become different people, but by the end, they are back in their more comfortable skins, having rediscovered their brotherhood.


A few more unpopular opinions:

* I feel the 'demonisation' of Roddenberry has gone on long enough, and is as extremely OTT as all the Roddenberry-worshipping pre-1991 was, just from the other side. I am not oblivious to his many flaws, but it seems they are often seen in isolation by many fans away from positives.
* DS9 used to be an under-rated gem for much of its existence, now it feels over-rated
* DS9 was at its best in the first four seasons. Season 6-7 are pretty poor IMO (with some obvious exceptions).
* Discovery is enjoyable, and a decent addition to the franchise.

1. Agree. I'm no fan of GR, but I also don't think he was the devil. He was a flawed human being who created something that changed the world.
2. Agree. I love DS9 (am currently re-watching), but I don't think it's the gold standard for how Trek should be, which seems to be the (somewhat ridiculous) position of a lot of fans.
3. I found S1 and 2 to be a much greater slog than 6 and 7.
4. Agree. Much like Nemesis, I find it flawed, but ultimately highly entertaining and re-watchable....so mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]
 
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I watched "True Q" a couple of days ago and it contains one of many stupid moralistic speeches by Picard. He's basically calling the Q despicable because they think of killing the girl but that's the same Picard who berated Data for reviving three people from the 20th century!!! That's the same as a triple homicide!! These people weren't dead since the technology existed to revive them and Picard's crew had that technology. I wish Picard was turned by Q into an ape at that time! Although that would have been insulting to apes.
 
I watched "True Q" a couple of days ago and it contains one of many stupid moralistic speeches by Picard. He's basically calling the Q despicable because they think of killing the girl but that's the same Picard who berated Data for reviving three people from the 20th century!!! That's the same as a triple homicide!! These people weren't dead since the technology existed to revive them and Picard's crew had that technology. I wish Picard was turned by Q into an ape at that time! Although that would have been insulting to apes.

Maybe try decaf?
 
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Much as I love TOS, I simply can't watch it anymore, I'm watched out, viewed every episode so many times.
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I just cannot get excited about an ageing geriatric like "Picard" getting his three seasons of relevance again
I also think "Enterprise" is magnificent Trek, and "Discovery" is holding its own very well indeed.
 
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The nexus, from Star Trek Generations, is actually a fascinating sci-fi concept and had massive potential for exploring the characters and other story elements.

The execution was lacking, but the concept was really cool and never fails to fascinate me / leave me wanting more.
 
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Much as I love TOS, I simply can't watch it anymore, I'm watched out, viewed every episode so many times.

I've spread it out. I'll watch a handful or two of TOS episodes a year, pretty much at random, whenever it strikes me. No real rhyme or reason to it.

When I do the start-to-finish rewatch soon, it'll be my first time doing so in this century.

Running something into the ground? No. That's the last thing anyone should do. So I can actually see where you're coming from.
 
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Didn’t they have to do something funny with the quarters? DS9 was probably the best at doing all that multicultural stuff. But a lot of it is just having the budgets and time for a TV show. In the novelverse Titan has a really diverse crew but again, makes sense to me from an operational point of view that you keep the folks who breath the same stuff on the same ship.

It never made sense to me that the flagship of a multispecies Federation was populated by mainly human beings, the franchise would have the same stories if the Enterprise D/E was just a plain old starship from the Sol regiment of Starfleet, which would explain why all the crew and most of the senior officers looked like they were indigenous to Earth.
 
It never made sense to me that the flagship of a multispecies Federation was populated by mainly human beings, the franchise would have the same stories if the Enterprise D/E was just a plain old starship from the Sol regiment of Starfleet, which would explain why all the crew and most of the senior officers looked like they were indigenous to Earth.

Then how is Picard supposed to be pompous all the time if it isn't the flagship?! :eek:
 
Aliens from even close-to-Earth-like environment may be uncomfortable for day-in and day-out living. For example: Vulcans. Earth ships are too cold and stink, plus you are around annoying people from another culture. Humans probably feel the same on a Tellarite or Andorian ship. It's just not a policy decision but a biological reality. You may find one or two exceptions who are willing or tasked with a foreign assignment but they may also need medical treatments and special clothes.
 
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