Unpopular Trek opinions game

[Krupp]

Didn’t they have to do something funny with the quarters? DS9 was probably the best at doing all that multicultural stuff. But a lot of it is just having the budgets and time for a TV show. In the novelverse Titan has a really diverse crew but again, makes sense to me from an operational point of view that you keep the folks who breath the same stuff on the same ship.

 

[Discofan]

They also mention "Tholian Silk", given the conditions in which the Tholians live, it must be much more resistant to heat than our silk, which is rather fragile, in that area.

 

[Discofan]

Didn’t they have to do something funny with the quarters? DS9 was probably the best at doing all that multicultural stuff. But a lot of it is just having the budgets and time for a TV show. In the novelverse Titan has a really diverse crew but again, makes sense to me from an operational point of view that you keep the folks who breath the same stuff on the same ship.

I guess some would have to wear an EV suit to go outside of their living quarters, kinda like the Breen actually. It would make their situation more precarious than that of the other crewmembers.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I guess some would have to wear an EV suit to go outside of their living quarters, kinda like the Breen actually.

Which Breen? (I'm suddenly inspired to post in the "things that ought to be made canonical" thread).

 

[BillJ]

I guess some would have to wear an EV suit to go outside of their living quarters, kinda like the Breen actually.

I think in the novels, the Breen ended up being humanoid. The get up they wear is related to their culture.

 

[Vger23]

Unpopular Opinion:

I love a great deal of Star Trek...the humorous stuff, the sticky-sweet stuff, the slower more ponderous stuff, etc.

But, as it turns out, my favorite is the darker stuff. I like TWOK, FC, the middle seasons of DS9, TNG episodes like Conspiracy / BoBW, S1 of DSC, etc.

I think I like it because it's more rare, and it brings a sense of realism and grit to the universe I otherwise love. I don't think I'd like it if Trek was always like that. I think I like it because it is more rare for Trek to explore those areas.

 

[BillJ]

Unpopular Opinion: I see Trek as a multiverse with the shows taking place in different timeline from each other. Broad strokes remain the same, the details are different.

 

[Armus]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but the best Trek for me has been the television episodes not the movies. Trek was meant for TV. I find I can easily rewatch episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9 while I have a hard time sitting through the movies again, even TWOK.

 

[fireproof78]

As long as it is a good story about the human condition I am game for it. TV or film doesn't matter much. I enjoyed Balance of Terror as equally as I enjoyed TUC or TWOK at the time of first viewing.

 

[Discofan]

Which Breen? (I'm suddenly inspired to post in the "things that ought to be made canonical" thread).

I just mentioned the Breen as an example. The Tholians, on the other hand, would have to wear an EV suit or they would die immediately.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I'm basically a walking unpopular TNG opinion.

- The first two seasons are my favorites - 2 is my fave, 1 is my second fave.
- I prefer episodes like "Lonely Among Us" over stuff like "The Inner Light".
- I like Dr. Pulaski so much that she's one of the major reasons why TNG's season 2 is my favorite.
- I'm not much of a Data fan. He's okay. I don't dislike him, but I also don't get the hype around him.
- I like "Masks". A lot. In fact, so much that it's among my top three episodes. What can I say, I like weird episodes.

I guess I'd better stop now before I get dragged off this stage.

 

[Q_The_Misanthrope]

I'm probably too new to be posting unpopular opinions; first impressions and all, but here I go.

• Star Trek got better after Gene Roddenberry got less involved. The man was brilliant for 2 things:

1. Creating the universe/concept of Star Trek. Huge props to him for that.
   
2. For saying TOS is mostly not canon. I wholeheartedly agree. Greek gods that really existed and floating space hands and space Lincolns should not be canon. Among other things.

Otherwise he was full of bad ideas. His future vision of everyone being rainbows and lollipops is unrealistic. I'm fully onboard with a Earth free of poverty, hunger, and free of people in need of basics. But there will always be new diseases that crop up, people are going to argue with each other over things, including working on ships together.

• Which leads into I'm not a huge fan of TOS. I understand it's a product of its time, but the rampant sexism, campiness, bad acting and gaudy sets makes it practically unwatchable to me. I like TOS in that it gave us Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc and a ship named Enterprise, but that's about it. There are definitely some stand out episodes like City on the Edge of Forever and Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.

 

[Oniramen]

I'm probably too new to be posting unpopular opinions; first impressions and all, but here I go.

• Star Trek got better after Gene Roddenberry got less involved. The man was brilliant for 2 things:

1. Creating the universe/concept of Star Trek. Huge props to him for that.
   
2. For saying TOS is mostly not canon. I wholeheartedly agree. Greek gods that really existed and floating space hands and space Lincolns should not be canon. Among other things.

Otherwise he was full of bad ideas. His future vision of everyone being rainbows and lollipops is unrealistic. I'm fully onboard with a Earth free of poverty, hunger, and free of people in need of basics. But there will always be new diseases that crop up, people are going to argue with each other over things, including working on ships together.

• Which leads into I'm not a huge fan of TOS. I understand it's a product of its time, but the rampant sexism, campiness, bad acting and gaudy sets makes it practically unwatchable to me. I like TOS in that it gave us Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc and a ship named Enterprise, but that's about it. There are definitely some stand out episodes like City on the Edge of Forever and Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.

I definitely agree, especially on the points of TOS being mostly non-canon. It boggles my mind that the fandom insists that the tech and aesthetic of the 2260s *had* to look that specific way. And given Gene's attitudes about retcons, it's wild that we still argue about makeup changes. DSC's Klingons are just what Klingons look like now, in the way that TNG's Klingons retconned TOS's.

Which leads into my Star Trek Hot Take: Enterprise introducing the Klingon Augment Virus as an "explanation" for the change in makeup/costuming did a disservice to the franchise by setting the precedent that these things need to be explained.

 

[fireproof78]

- I'm not much of a Data fan. He's okay. I don't dislike him, but I also don't get the hype around him.
- I like "Masks". A lot. In fact, so much that it's among my top three episodes. What can I say, I like weird episodes.

Well, I share these two, at least.

Which leads into my Star Trek Hot Take: Enterprise introducing the Klingon Augment Virus as an "explanation" for the change in makeup/costuming did a disservice to the franchise by setting the precedent that these things need to be explained.

I agree on this point too. And example of making things needlessly complicated.

I definitely agree, especially on the points of TOS being mostly non-canon. It boggles my mind that the fandom insists that the tech and aesthetic of the 2260s *had* to look that specific way. And given Gene's attitudes about retcons, it's wild that we still argue about makeup changes. DSC's Klingons are just what Klingons look like now, in the way that TNG's Klingons retconned TOS's.

Couldn't have said it better. Even Gene wouldn't get hung up on the look, recognizing that the characters and the story were more important than what a phaser did.

 

[Q_The_Misanthrope]

DSC's Klingons are just what Klingons look like now, in the way that TNG's Klingons retconned TOS's.

Which leads into my Star Trek Hot Take: Enterprise introducing the Klingon Augment Virus as an "explanation" for the change in makeup/costuming did a disservice to the franchise by setting the precedent that these things need to be explained.

I'm actually ok with that to a certain extent. But to clarify, I have no doubt we are going to see Worf in S1 or S2 of Picard. They've already said he would look the same/similar to how he did in TNG/DS9. This makes sense if we assume other species can evolve like humans in that we do not all look the same. Asian, caucasian, etc. There's no reason Klingons can't have different races and ethnic groups.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I'm basically a walking unpopular TNG opinion.
- I like Dr. Pulaski so much that she's one of the major reasons why TNG's season 2 is my favorite.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I did like Pulaski. I don't prefer her over Crusher; I simply don't prefer Crusher over Pulaski.

 

[Discofan]

Unpopular Opinions:

1) In "Cause And Effect", if they had done what both Riker and Data suggested (which they ended up doing) there would have been no problem. So the entire plot is based on Picard not knowing that his ship's crew is capable of doing two things at once!!!

2) It's ironic that in "The Outcast" we basically get a morality tale about being tolerant toward gays (in a very roundabout way) in a show where gays are never even mentioned, not even in this episode where they had the opportunity when Riker and/or Beverly were explaining to the alien what being gendered means... How about "some males are actually attracted to males and some females are also attracted to females"... "Physician Heal thyself!!!"

 

[BillJ]

- The first two seasons are my favorites - 2 is my fave, 1 is my second fave.
- I prefer episodes like "Lonely Among Us" over stuff like "The Inner Light".

I agree with these two.

I definitely agree, especially on the points of TOS being mostly non-canon. It boggles my mind that the fandom insists that the tech and aesthetic of the 2260s *had* to look that specific way.

No one insisted that it look that way. Just that better care was given to making it feel like the 23rd century we knew for 50 years. The look that was used to great effect in TNG, DS9 and Enterprise.

 

[BillJ]

It's ironic that in "The Outcast" we basically get a morality tale about being tolerant toward gays (in a very roundabout way) in a show where gays are never even mentioned, not even in this episode where they had the opportunity when Riker and/or Beverly were explaining to the alien what being gendered means...

It was how the original Star Trek got on the air. By telling stories that weren't designed to piss people off, but maybe make them think a bit. Allegory.

 

[Discofan]

It was how the original Star Trek got on the air. By telling stories that weren't designed to piss people off, but maybe make them think a bit. Allegory.

"Piss people off"? By acknowledging that there are gay people!!! There were already shows with recurring gay characters back then!!! Here, they are not even acknowledged!! In fact, note how everybody is straight on this show, there isn't even ambiguity about that. You get ( Riker, Geordi, DATA!!, Picard, Worf...) with females and then you get Deanna, Tasha, Beverly with males, in fact, Beverly even rejects someone she's allegedly in love with just for being inside a female's body.

In fact, during the whole show, we see dozens, maybe hundreds of straight couples passing in front of the camera... Not even ONCE do we see something that MIGHT be construed as a same-gender couple, not once!!