They don't want to piss off the players union when they are still worried about being sued for Collusion.
Jason
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They don't want to piss off the players union when they are still worried about being sued for Collusion.
Jason
The more I listen to sports people on this, it's all such bullshit.
We all know every team is cheating to different levels. MLB is going after Astros and Red Sox instead of the likes of the Yankees because the Red Sox and Astros win and the Yankees don't.
Sorry I had to put in the Yankees dig.
But seriously. I'm a casual baseball fan. I'll pop in an out of the thread randomly. I'm a farmer and landscaper so in the summer I like listening to baseball, but I won't be here commenting on it. The news reporters for this are literally saying 'Don't think this doesn't affect the players on the field, this is more huge than you think!' I remember 20 years of drug use. That was huge. This is a big deal, but you still need to hit the ball, you still need pitching and fielders. This isn't as bad as betting or steroids. This will not make me like baseball less like the ignoring steroid BS did. (I was like 3 when Pete Rose was caught cheating, so I can't compare to that.)
And funny enough the Red Sox will be in my hometown of Springfield Massachusetts this weekend. You think I should go and ask the players who helped Cara cheat?
We all know every team is cheating to different levels. MLB is going after Astros and Red Sox instead of the likes of the Yankees because the Red Sox and Astros win and the Yankees don't.
Sorry I had to put in the Yankees dig.
But seriously. I'm a casual baseball fan. I'll pop in an out of the thread randomly. I'm a farmer and landscaper so in the summer I like listening to baseball, but I won't be here commenting on it. The news reporters for this are literally saying 'Don't think this doesn't affect the players on the field, this is more huge than you think!' I remember 20 years of drug use. That was huge. This is a big deal, but you still need to hit the ball, you still need pitching and fielders. This isn't as bad as betting or steroids. This will not make me like baseball less like the ignoring steroid BS did. (I was like 3 when Pete Rose was caught cheating, so I can't compare to that.)
And funny enough the Red Sox will be in my hometown of Springfield Massachusetts this weekend. You think I should go and ask the players who helped Cara cheat?
It's not a collusion lawsuit that MLB is worried about, it's that it doesn't want to go to war with the union when the CBA expires after the 2021 season and both sides are gearing up for a fight. You don't fight a protracted war on two fronts.
Just amazing to me that cheating by stealing signs the old fashioned way is seen by pretty much everyone in MLB as acceptable but apply some technology to it, or devise sound effects to aid in it and everyone loses their fucking minds.
I'm not naive, I realize that technology changes the equation, but cheating is cheating regardless how you did it.
I'm not naive, I realize that technology changes the equation, but cheating is cheating regardless how you did it.
I think there's a difference in being in the heat of the game and figuring out what is going on by what the players and coaches are seeing on the field versus using technology.
MLB punishes the players?
The clubs dump the players, they get blacklisted, the owners don't learn anything - neither does management.
MLB punishes management? The owners just might learn something, and at the very least managers won't think they are protected by allowing misdeeds to occur IF they are done by a "cut-out" man.
The clubs dump the players, they get blacklisted, the owners don't learn anything - neither does management.
MLB punishes management? The owners just might learn something, and at the very least managers won't think they are protected by allowing misdeeds to occur IF they are done by a "cut-out" man.
Beltran is out in NY. But, it's the Mets, so......
This story doesn't say if he ended up "stepping down" on his own or not.
This story doesn't say if he ended up "stepping down" on his own or not.
Have we ever had a situation where three teams are looking for replacements this close to the season starting?
I doubt it.
Most reports indicated it might go that way.
What's Terry Collins doing these days?
The newer espn.con story says it was "mutual" between the Mets and Beltran.
Basically "go or we fire you". What about Piazza for Mets manager?
Basically "go or we fire you". What about Piazza for Mets manager?
I have no problem with that.
Piazza seems pretty content to drink cocktails and soak up the sun in Miami, I'm not sure he'd want to wrangle a bunch of kids and deal with an egomaniac whackjob like Brodie Van Wagenen. If I had to guess, they're going to take another serious look at Eduardo Perez, who was the Mets' second choice if they couldn't get a deal done with Beltran. Luis Rojas is still on staff, and he also interviewed for the opening (though he didn't get a second-round interview). In any case, I wouldn't be shocked if they go internal with the hiring, just because of the short timeframe between now and spring camps opening.
This is the worst scandal in MLB since the 1919 Black Sox. The biggest difference though was that 100 years ago, MLB had a commissioner that administered justice (except maybe for Buck Weaver).
It may be arguably worse--depending on opinion. Cheating to win v. cheating to lose. At least if you cheat to lose, the other team benefits. It's a cheapened victory, but at least the team that tried to win honestly, did.
But when you cheat to win, you are robbing possibly a better team of a championship. The Yankees and Dodgers got hurt multiple times because of this scandal.
The punishment is beyond too light.
And if the allegation of players wearing buzzers is true, every single of one them needs the Joe Jackson treatment. Ban them for life.
The biggest joke is the punishment to the Astros. A $5 million fine? They made way more than that by "winning" the World Series. A loss of 4 picks? They are going to be lower round picks, and the impact of those players, IF they make it, would be a good 4-5 years away. As for GMs and managers, there's always someone else to fill those jobs.
It may be arguably worse--depending on opinion. Cheating to win v. cheating to lose. At least if you cheat to lose, the other team benefits. It's a cheapened victory, but at least the team that tried to win honestly, did.
But when you cheat to win, you are robbing possibly a better team of a championship. The Yankees and Dodgers got hurt multiple times because of this scandal.
The punishment is beyond too light.
And if the allegation of players wearing buzzers is true, every single of one them needs the Joe Jackson treatment. Ban them for life.
The biggest joke is the punishment to the Astros. A $5 million fine? They made way more than that by "winning" the World Series. A loss of 4 picks? They are going to be lower round picks, and the impact of those players, IF they make it, would be a good 4-5 years away. As for GMs and managers, there's always someone else to fill those jobs.
The arms of 3 pitching staffs just twitched in unison, and they don't know why.
Could you imagine Dusty and the Mets medical staff together?
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