Maybe not destroyed out of existence like before but the entire surface of the planet looks like it was completely "nuked". It does not look like anything or anyone survived. So all life and cities were destroyed.
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Maybe not destroyed out of existence like before but the entire surface of the planet looks like it was completely "nuked". It does not look like anything or anyone survived. So all life and cities were destroyed.
So all Gallifreans died. But not Gallifrey itself.
I think this needs to be stated because, well, Gallifredy had been destroyed before. Literally.
Also, the implication here is that the Master, somehow, eroded almost three billion people. Time Lords and Gallifreans alike.
I think this needs to be stated because, well, Gallifredy had been destroyed before. Literally.
Also, the implication here is that the Master, somehow, eroded almost three billion people. Time Lords and Gallifreans alike.
I think you're being a bit pedantic. Everyone knows what people mean when talking about Galifrey being "destroyed" in the episode, and were aware that the planet wasn't literally destroyed.
In the end, someone will resurrect the Timelords. What Chibnail has done is frustrating and crap (like petty much everything he's done), but its no more permanent then RTD destroying the timelords in the Time War was. Its irritaiting, and saying that The Master is just so special that he can destroy all of time lord society at a whim is stupid.
But, yeah, the planet is still technically there, which means literally nothing
Actually, I don't think we know for sure that ALL Gallifreyans died, do we? Yes, the entire surface planet got "nuked" but it is entirely possible that some Time Lords could have escaped. After all, they are very advanced. If there was any warning at all, some of them could have jumped into a nearby TARDIS and escaped. And of course, if the writers want to do a story about Time Lords who survived the Master's attack (which could make for a good story IMO), they can always reveal that some did in fact escape right before the destruction happened.
Also, this is a show where time travel is as easy as flipping a switch or pulling a lever, literally. The Doctor could probably go back in time to before the Master destroys Gallifrey.
1. Now that she knows that it has happened, it's happened, and it's unavoidable (River breaking her arm).
2. Transenduction barriers stop time traveler arriving uninvited or out of order.
2. Transenduction barriers stop time traveler arriving uninvited or out of order.
I think that making the aliens relevant to the Gallifrey aspect of the plot may have been useful (they might be still, but I don’t credit Chibnall with that much gumption. Maybe they were in the matrix) I thought they may have been Chronovores. Not that I want everything to be a returning thing, but something more than just poor window dressing..
There is one way, and it’s been done before.
Doctor just needs to nip into the Gallifrey falls no more painting and leave a message somewhere ‘master will kill you all, bit of a short arse,sorry about that other Tardis, you will get to that later...so..erm, hide and make him thing he’s killed you all in a few hundred years. Tuesday the 57th of Juvember in the Rassilon Era I think it was. Apple Sundae year. The master is a short arse now. Er...put the fish fingers in the custard.
P.s I’ll explain later.
P.p.s note to self, the furry white haired self, no not that one the other one, stock up on Bra’s in the Tardis.
P.p.p.s on second thought just get Clara to do it, but after she loses her Pink. Love, me. Tatty bye.’
And that’s that done.
Re-reading this has just given me a horrifying thought.
‘It’s up to us to repopulate the species!’
Ugh.
Getting rid of the Time Lords has been one of the signature aspects of this series ever since its revival. While there have been attempts to bring back the Time Lords or at least show they're not entirely gone, we're really just returning back to the idea of the Doctor as a vagabond, with no real home to go back to. It's undeniably a reset to the days of the Ninth, Tenth, and (mostly) Eleventh Doctors, IMO.
No IDTS ONLY because usually for major plot events such as this, there's ALWAYS some sort of "Time Lock" or something else just as ridiculous to prevent the 'Hero' from stopping the 'Villain'.
New Doctor Who Theme:
ooo-OOO-oooo...boom-chika-boom<--- Fade it 1970ies porn music...
Except when Davros says that Dalek Khan or whoever he was able to break through the impenetrable time lock by simply brute forcing his way through it like a million times?
Okay, to clarify - teh Doctor won't be able to 'fix' the situation until the plot demands it. -- Better?
Well, I liked this episode. Sure, the main plot is by the numbers, but the interplay between the Doctor and the Master was fun and enjoyable, as was the interplay between Ryan, Graham and Yaz as they were on the run.
But that ending. Damn. That sure was something. I'm perfectly okay with Gallifrey and the Time Lords being eradicated again since IMO, restoring Gallifrey and the Time Lords was one of Moffat's greatest mistakes, which indeed, he even apologized for. And since nothing was done with their restoration aside from Hell Bent which was basically just "Time Lords are colossal douchebags and the Doctor's on the run from them again" we might as well go for the Time Lords being extinct again. This really has my attention, though I agree with above express sentiments the Timeless Child sounds like it's going to be a variation on Lungbarrow and the Cartmel Masterplan. Still, I'm interested and invested in seeing how this plays out.
But that ending. Damn. That sure was something. I'm perfectly okay with Gallifrey and the Time Lords being eradicated again since IMO, restoring Gallifrey and the Time Lords was one of Moffat's greatest mistakes, which indeed, he even apologized for. And since nothing was done with their restoration aside from Hell Bent which was basically just "Time Lords are colossal douchebags and the Doctor's on the run from them again" we might as well go for the Time Lords being extinct again. This really has my attention, though I agree with above express sentiments the Timeless Child sounds like it's going to be a variation on Lungbarrow and the Cartmel Masterplan. Still, I'm interested and invested in seeing how this plays out.
Okay, to clarify - teh Doctor won't be able to 'fix' the situation until the plot demands it. -- Better?
Yes
I also want to point out how this two-parter, while being dedicated to Terrance Dicks, also destroys the Time Lords, whom the late author was a big fan of and was actually a huge fan of Moffat bringing them back in Day of the Doctor.
Still, at least Moffat took their eradication off the Doctor's hands, so that counts for something.
Still, at least Moffat took their eradication off the Doctor's hands, so that counts for something.
The episode definitely was stuffed and I'm amazed at how well it works when it all could easily have fallen flat.
The memory wiping stuff wasn't that bad. And necessary. And felt more natural than psychic paper or a sonic screwdriver made from stenza technology that can do anything anytime anyplace anywhere. (Noting that in Spyfall it's not always the magic panacea either...)
And I'll get back to that in a moment...
If they didn't do the Ada and Khan magical mystery tour they could have honed the story's other details a bit better. Still, Ada (not 100% historically accurate) and Khan (who is later murdered in a concentration camp, making this episode that much more grim as a result) were still of actual interest to see. DW never really did this sort of hopping like this before that I recall and it flows with the story well enough too... Chibnall's really upped the game in what he's been doing and nitpicks aside it's all surprisingly impressive. I hope the ratings start to go back up but his next series is co-sponsored by HBO so it will be made, hopefully with the same three companions as I refuse to use the hammy diminutive "fam", though I'll concede Whittaker is one of the few actors who can make it come across less cringey than it is elsewhere; I've seen shows and adverts where the colloquialism is used and oh, it's done far far worse.
Definitely about Cartmel.
His ability to do so must be big, so what else does he have up his sleeve?
I gave up on the new adventures long before Lungbarrow but Chibnall's take on it or a theme and doing something different... I'm liking it so far. Didn't expect to... but series 12 is definitely more focused and grounded compared to its predecessor - not unlike Cartmel and his first two years as script editor.
There's supposedly a leaked photo of Sacha with a new outfit for the Master. It's probably a hoax since it's like the Master stole the backup outfit the Joker would wear.
Sweet!