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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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Entitlement at its worst. That's what all of this is. Some fans just want their story told their way and no other way.

In other words, just swallow whatever is shoveled in the mouths of fans and don't you dare question or analyze how something could have worked another way.

Customers--audiences have a right to analyze, criticize and judge if they see fi to do so. To call any of it "entitlement" is acting as a mouthpiece for studios/filmmakers who want open wallets, glued lips and not a thought about what they are watching.


In a related subject, one of the reasons cut scenes became such a major part of home video releases since the 1980s (especially once ;laserdisc grew in popularity) was that directors and/or studios realized that it was not about mere curiosity, but an interest in what could have been, especially if the theatrical release left audiences wanting something else, or sensed there was something not quite right about the cut. That's a normal interest from movie goers. This applies to the PT, where some cut scenes--for one example, ROTS' "founders of the Rebellion meeting" scene was considered important--a big missed opportunity, and would have added weight to ROTS plot (juxtaposed with what Palpatine was doing to the galaxy at the same time) and a necessary connection to what was to come in the OT plot.
 
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I didn't see it, and several other people on here also didn't see it, so it seems entirely plausable to me that Abrams, Kennedy, Terrio and the other people responsible for the movies didn't see it either.

Again, there's no excuse for all that was put into the Finn character. The people behind the ST did not land here yesterday, and if they are as "socially progressive" as they spent recent years repeatedly telling the world, then logically, they would be aware of racial stereotypes and try to avoid them. It was a choice. They picked the Black Buffoon.
 
In other words, just swallow whatever is shoveled in the mouths of fans and don't you dare question or analyze how something could have worked another way.

Customers--audiences have a right to analyze, criticize and judge if they see fi to do so. To call any of "entitlement" is acting as a mouthpiece for studios/filmmakers who want open wallets, glued lips and not a thought about what they are watching.

<Sigh> No. That's not what I said.

Criticism is fine. I have been fairly critical of aspects of Star Wars. There are aspects of The Mandalorian I don't like. I have been fairly middle of the road with the new film. I've certainly dropped criticisms in the prequels way. But there comes a point in time where it goes too far. With The Last Jedi, where fans were so unhappy that they wanted to refilm the whole thing. You could simply choose not to watch it. OR, make your own cut using the existing film. I'm not a fan of that idea, but its your right, I guess.

Be critical but do it in a constructive way. That is literally all I'm saying.
 
In other words, just swallow whatever is shoveled in the mouths of fans and don't you dare question or analyze how something could have worked another way.
Not even close. Demanding a film be redone because it didn't meet personal expectations is not the same as just not questioning or criticizing.

Both ways are over the top in their response. There is a balanced approach to be had.
 
Not even close. Demanding a film be redone because it didn't meet personal expectations is not the same as just not questioning or criticizing.

Both ways are over the top in their response. There is a balanced approach to be had.

Well said. Far better than my post.
 
Again, there's no excuse for all that was put into the Finn character. The people behind the ST did not land here yesterday, and if they are as "socially progressive" as they spent recent years repeatedly telling the world, then logically, they would be aware of racial stereotypes and try to avoid them. It was a choice. They picked the Black Buffoon.

Or maybe it's just you and a very small amount of other people that have a problem with finns portrayal.
 
Again, there's no excuse for all that was put into the Finn character. The people behind the ST did not land here yesterday, and if they are as "socially progressive" as they spent recent years repeatedly telling the world, then logically, they would be aware of racial stereotypes and try to avoid them. It was a choice. They picked the Black Buffoon.
You just keep repeating this, but you have no real evidence other than what you think they were doing. Just saying they had to know about it without find some kind of evidence that they did is not enough.
Obviously neither of us are going to convince the other, so I think it's best we just drop this.
I also want to thank you for actually staying civil during this conversation.
This whole #Release the JJ/AbramsCut this is just ridiculous, we don't even know that there is a JJ cut and even if there was. And if there was, which I doubt very much, if Disney wanted us to see it, they would have released it instead of the one we got.
 
And if there was, which I doubt very much, if Disney wanted us to see it, they would have released it instead of the one we got.

Not necessarily. In theaters runtime is important (more showings equal more opportunity to sell tickets), so if they lopped off what Abrams thought were key elements, it could make it a completely different film. Plus, it gives them another version of the film to sell to home audiences.
 
Not even close. Demanding a film be redone because it didn't meet personal expectations is not the same as just not questioning or criticizing.

Both ways are over the top in their response. There is a balanced approach to be had.
Any chance those fans would be happy with a stack of Star Wars Mad Libs?
 
This whole #Release the JJ/AbramsCut this is just ridiculous, we don't even know that there is a JJ cut and even if there was. And if there was, which I doubt very much, if Disney wanted us to see it, they would have released it instead of the one we got.
Hasn't the film's editor debunked this?
 
Not that there’s any surprise because of how rushed this film is, Dominic Monaghan suggests there’s quite a bit missing from the film. He says, I think like all of us, he’d like to see a director’s cut if it actually exists. But has JJ ever released a directors cut?

(Please note, I don’t think there’s some sort of mythical JJ Cut that Disney cut down to spite him. But a directors cut might exist.)
 
You'd think they wouldn't have made that same mistake since one of the biggest complaints about TFA was how there was very little explanation as to how things ended up the way they were in that movie.
 
I hadn't thought about that but that is a good point, I guess they just didn't learn their lesson the first time around.
 
You'd think they wouldn't have made that same mistake since one of the biggest complaints about TFA was how there was very little explanation as to how things ended up the way they were in that movie.
I honestly believe that, despite popular opinion of the fan base, that the studios generally don't give a rat's ass about fan complaints and do what they're going to do anyway.
 
JJ's movies keep on making mad money, I don't see any reason why he would alter his approach to filmmaking. They only listen (and often not even then) when a film bombs hard.
 
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