USS Voyager (eventually) on Picard?
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The Borg haven't survived all these eons by being stupid.
Janeway took out a small sliver of the Collective.
Is this thread mostly about how Picard didn't get anything done? I think he did.
I don't think he didn't get anything done. But what he accomplished was small scale. He had a hand in preventing the assimilation of Earth twice. But that's just one planet. He also sent Hugh back to the Collective, but then they were instantly cut off from the Collective and became a small splinter group.
The guy was in charge of saving entire planetary populations any particular week. What people are really saying is that the series didn't have an arc.
I thought we were talking specifically about the Borg and what Picard did to defeat them. But yes, he did save several other planets in general.
Think it started more generally here...
Except arc called "the trial of humanity" in the background basically in every episode through the series.
But maybe dozens of other ships did the same things off screen. While Picard and the Enterprise stopped the borg from assimilating earth maybe Johnson and the Endeavor stopped the snarfs from destroying Andor three times.
We tend to think the crews we follow are special but maybe they're not that special, even if they're all in the top 5% of starfleet that leaves lots of other ships and captains with similar accomplishments.
Really? TNG was mostly an episodic show. Episodes that were done in one with the occasional two parter and reoccurring guest star. What episodes featured this "trial of humanity" apart from the first and last episodes? Even Q episodes don't seem to focus on that.Except arc called "the trial of humanity" in the background basically in every episode through the series.
Every single episode is a part of the trial, even if it's not mentioned every time.
I'm not sure this is the exact quote but In 'All Good Things...' Q said something like: "We said we would be watching you and we have been."
So, something tacked on at the end and not an actual arc developed by the writers over the course of seven seasons.
Feel free to interpret it as you wish.
As epitomized in Picard's line in "Farpoint": "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." In other words...
"What's our quest?"
"Do what we'd do anyway."
"OK."
And even if that were the case that arc was resolved in "All Good Things" and the crew continued on past that in the films, with Q not even getting a name drop in any of the films.
Nothing I've seen or heard BTS or on screen indicated there was a trial of humanity arc running through the series. Q's line is just a call back to Encounter At Farpoint, nothing more. If you have something from the writers or producers saying otherwise I'd like to see it. Interpretation might work "in universe" but not with the real world facts.
Q mentioned the trial is still ongoing in “Tapestry”
I know cause I just rewatched it with SO
There are few mentions of the trial on other episodes than just the pilot and final episode.
In the final episode Q says that they have been following the Enterprise for seven years.
When Picard asks why he is in the courtroom again Q responds by saying: "The trial never ended captain."
Q also mentions the trial during other episodes, in 'Q Who' on season 2 and in 'True Q' on season 6. Q says "the jury's still out on that" when they mention the trial.
Fortunately I don't need a producer or anyone else to say anything about the trial. What happens on screen is proof enough for me.
Without Picard telling Data how to defeat the Borg, Riker would've rammed the ship, which would've destroyed the Enterprise, but might not have destroyed the cube. Picard's hint saved the Enterprise, destroyed the cube, and saved Earth.
That's continuity not an arc.
I'd call it lip service. Let's take our completely episodic adventures and say that they constitute a vague arc.
That would mean that my skills in English, which is not my native tongue, played tricks on me.
TNG's arc: Humanity has to prove that it's worthy of going out into space and having adventures by going out into space and having adventures.
