Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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This article has a list of the voice cameos of past Jedi.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/20/21031003/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-cameos-jedi-voices-cast
https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/20/21031003/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-cameos-jedi-voices-cast
Saw the movie today. Overall, it was certainly an exciting, fun action-adventure romp with great special effects. And the movie had all the trappings of a Star Wars movie. However, I feel the movie suffers from some of the same weaknesses of many action-adventure movies: It was full of plot holes and contrivances. There were many instances where I felt like the writers just made stuff up and pulled conveniences out of their rear end just to move the plot forward to the next action set piece.
A huge plot hole for me is why did Palpatine wait so long? Why did he not just launch his massive OP fleet right away and conquer the galaxy? He could have easily conquered the entire galaxy. To me that is sloppy writing when you make your villain super OP but make them passive or dumb so that the heroes can win which is what this movie did.
But my biggest problem with the movie is it essentially takes all the victories that we thought Luke, Leia and co earned and transfers the victories to Rey and new characters. By bringing Palpatine back, Luke, Leia and co did not really defeat Palpatine, did not really save the galaxy or defeat evil. And by having the Rebels rehash another big fight and finally defeat Palpatine for good, it's now Rey and the new characters who really save the galaxy and who really defeat evil, not Luke, Leia and co. The movie also goes too far with making Rey "special". For one, the movie makes her very OP by giving her incredibly powerful and new Force powers. But more importantly, she is not just a great Jedi or a hero who saves the day. By stating that she has all the Force of all Jedi's across 1000 generations (according to what Luke tells her), the movie makes her the culmination and embodiment of all Jedi. So all the great Jedi that came before, including Yoda, Ben Kenobi etc, were all leading up to Rey. She is the real "chosen one" who actually defeated Palpatine and saved the galaxy once and for all. That just seems like a lot to put on one character, especially a new character, that did not have any backstory or foreshadowing or anything to suggest something so incredible and was only retconned to be related to Palpatine in the last movie. It's like the writers decided "forget the classic characters like Luke and Leia. They are not really special. We want our new character to be the most special character that ever existed in all of Star wars!"
A huge plot hole for me is why did Palpatine wait so long? Why did he not just launch his massive OP fleet right away and conquer the galaxy? He could have easily conquered the entire galaxy. To me that is sloppy writing when you make your villain super OP but make them passive or dumb so that the heroes can win which is what this movie did.
But my biggest problem with the movie is it essentially takes all the victories that we thought Luke, Leia and co earned and transfers the victories to Rey and new characters. By bringing Palpatine back, Luke, Leia and co did not really defeat Palpatine, did not really save the galaxy or defeat evil. And by having the Rebels rehash another big fight and finally defeat Palpatine for good, it's now Rey and the new characters who really save the galaxy and who really defeat evil, not Luke, Leia and co. The movie also goes too far with making Rey "special". For one, the movie makes her very OP by giving her incredibly powerful and new Force powers. But more importantly, she is not just a great Jedi or a hero who saves the day. By stating that she has all the Force of all Jedi's across 1000 generations (according to what Luke tells her), the movie makes her the culmination and embodiment of all Jedi. So all the great Jedi that came before, including Yoda, Ben Kenobi etc, were all leading up to Rey. She is the real "chosen one" who actually defeated Palpatine and saved the galaxy once and for all. That just seems like a lot to put on one character, especially a new character, that did not have any backstory or foreshadowing or anything to suggest something so incredible and was only retconned to be related to Palpatine in the last movie. It's like the writers decided "forget the classic characters like Luke and Leia. They are not really special. We want our new character to be the most special character that ever existed in all of Star wars!"
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Not my favorite of the series and I have my issues, but overall an enjoyable movie and decent ending to the series. Rey heading the voices of the Jedi was great and I’m glad they included some only seen in the animated shows. Ahsoka really deserves to be in live action at some point.
As for why Palps waited...
Yes, he could have sent out the fleet earlier.
But that would likely leave him hanging from his GlaDos mount.
He needed and wanted Rey at the height of her power to come to him and become his force spirits vessel.
He had enough foresight to know she was ready and manipulated events to make it so, as usual.
And if he has any virtues, than it’s patience.
Yes, he could have sent out the fleet earlier.
But that would likely leave him hanging from his GlaDos mount.
He needed and wanted Rey at the height of her power to come to him and become his force spirits vessel.
He had enough foresight to know she was ready and manipulated events to make it so, as usual.
And if he has any virtues, than it’s patience.
If there are more movies, there will be more evil. Bigly evil that will overwrite these victories.
Much like we are still fighting Nazis 65 years after we defeated them.
I can't even begin to tell you how depressing that is.
Given how Obi-Wan frames it, having Luke trust his instincts there is some kind of impact, even if not full agency, there is some sort of will or laws that itself abides by. As Yoda would say "Life gives it energy; makes it grow." The idea of the Force reacting to ensure life continues may not be agency, per se, but a more natural reaction of keeping balance.
Probably not the best way to explain it but that's my sense.
How so? Identifying the evil means being able to fight it. Humanity doesn't change overnight, and 65 years is a blink of an eye in the lifespan of the human race.
Loved it. A+ from me.
Would like to say more, but I'm pretty tired. While the film itself was excellent, the movie-going experience was fucking awful.
Would like to say more, but I'm pretty tired. While the film itself was excellent, the movie-going experience was fucking awful.
Yeah, that's a good point too.
Also, while we're on the topic of Force agency, I seem to remember that George Lucas' own outline for a sequel trilogy would have explored the nature of the Force and answered a lot of these kinds of questions. The Last Jedi was the only one that really took anything from Lucas' ideas, though.
Books used to be canon with Star Wars.
Yeah, but as was pointed out to me, what's on screen superseded what was in the books, which in turn superseded what was in comics and games. The name Palpatine came from the Star Wars novelisation, but if a later movie came along and decided his name was Steve all along, then Vader just threw Emperor Steve down a bottomless shaft.
No. George said that everything Star Wars was equally cannon, in any media, even the video games, and then he paid people to carefully edit and filter everything to make sure that nothing contradicted anything else.
Not sure when that ended, but it's definitely over.
That's weird. My copy of Splinter of the Mind's Eye doesn't really seem to fit properly between Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, but okay.
Books, games, comics, etc. published after April 25, 2014 are canon. Everything from before that except for the films and The Clone Wars is now a separate continuity called Star Wars Legends. The Plagueis novel was canon when it released in 2012, but it isn't anymore. If they wrote a new Plagueis novel, that would be canon however.
It's Sheev, actually. Not kidding.
When that Disney check cleared............
Prior to 2014, Star Wars operated under a "Tiered Canon" system that gave everything other than the films and television series the appearance of being Canon although the reality of things is that they weren't.
With the new Canon system in place, there are no illusions: every single piece of content that comes out with the Star Wars brand on it is automatically Canonical unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, and the Lucasfilm Story Group exists to oversee, determine, and shape the Canon to ensure 100% consistency, which is why comments from individuals like Pablo Hidalgo and the aforementioned Matt Martin matter and hold both weight and consequence.
With the new Canon system in place, there are no illusions: every single piece of content that comes out with the Star Wars brand on it is automatically Canonical unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, and the Lucasfilm Story Group exists to oversee, determine, and shape the Canon to ensure 100% consistency, which is why comments from individuals like Pablo Hidalgo and the aforementioned Matt Martin matter and hold both weight and consequence.
