Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)

I'd say he's the 2006 Supes. While Returns purported to be a sequel to the first two Reeve movies, it was a sequel that pushed events more than 20 years into the future, so it can't really be seen as the same continuity, but rather a parallel where roughly the same events happened a generation later (much like Earth-2 and Earth-1 in the pre-Crisis comics).

Of course, they might just call it Earth-78 anyway. We'll see.

 

Supergirl was on Showcase last night. Batwoman is on Showcase tonight.

Then it's Netflix for The Flash (Thursay). Arrow and Legends will be on CTV Sci-fi in the new year (as it's the current broadcaster for those programs).

 

Hm so Smallville Clark gave up his powers. Also Kingdom Come Batman isn’t from the same earth as Returns superman

 

Holy convenient excuse not to be in the suit!

 

He's the guy who fought himself, so he's both the 1978 and 2006 guy.

And...
Frank Miller's dialogue.

 

Superman Returns was a sequel to the Reeve movies, so yes

Bruce just quoted the opening to the Superman tv series

 

They really circumvented expectations

Batman has lost all hope and killed Superman
Smallville Clark gave up his Powers

 

Holy Brutal Commercial Breaks, Batman! Tons of commercial breaks in this one, barely bothering to cut in with the show every now and then. The last bit of show was 3 minutes (8:48-8:51).

 

Ray Superman also mentioned his son Jason, so that answers that

 

I waa hoping future Bat would lead to a somehow kept top secret/quiet Batman Beyond appearance

 

Kingdom Come came out in 1996.
There was an actual Earth-167 where Clark & Lex were bext friends growing up... Altho tha Lex became Batman

 

The Superman, Supermen stuff was fantastic. All of it.

The use of Bruce Wayne..
Bizarre. Of all the uses of Kevin Conroy.... this?

It would be a stretch but he could play a modern play Bruce/Batman later. Clean him up and dye his hair. They exaggerated his age and frailty. With that gone he would seem much younger in contrast.

I find it hard to believe that they are going to permanently kill off these past incarnations of the characters. The Adam West Batman and Michael Keaton Batman, etc are still making money for DC and WB in merchandise.

Who knows the ends for John Wesley Shipp’s Flash 90 or Brandon Routh’s Superman in this event? But they are participating in this themselves. To kill off camera Michael Keatons’s Batman, as one example, with no involvement from him can not see it.

The location sighting of a newspaper with Michal Keaton as Bruce Wayne. Likely he did not give approval. So using Jerry Ordway artwork of him as Batman, was a way around that.

 

I was so very happy to see Tom Welling and how he was used to bring closure to his character in the episode. I appreciate people recapping the episodes and adding comment. I sometimes don't know what's going on maybe cuz I didn't read the comic but I'm a big fan and this spoiler thread helps a lot.

 

Presumably he is still alive. A Superboy character was huge part of original Crisis comic.

Loved the Superman III reference. Superman saying he has fought a version of himself before.

 

Guggenheim already got on Twitter tonight. He said “167” has something to do with Smallville co-creator Al Gough; Guggenheim did not clarify beyond that.

 

He was born in 1967, maybe that's the connection.

 

Batwoman
Season 1 - Episode 9 - "Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part 2"

Kate/BW: BW dies on Earth 99, and she will likely take that knowledge back to her Gotham, but it should also make her a bit paranoid--probably not confiding in anyone, but I would not want that coloring her show--and its well-established plots--from this point forward.

...but Kara's idea of saving Beth is so typically naïve of her, just as she is about Lena.

Luke: Funny--Kara finds Luke cute, which makes Kate uncomfortable.

Wayne: The exoskeleton is a nod to the legendary miniseries Kingdom Come, where the aged Wayne / Batman needed a permanent suit for stability. The difference here is that killing Earth-99's Superman put him in that suit.

Yes, they are trying to paint the disillusioned, bitter Wayne who needs to be inspired to atone for his "crimes" by Kate, but I was pleased he had his own understanding of what an alien threat with superpowers meant. It is essentially a replay of Wayne's beliefs seen in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, only this time, there was no intervention of hope.

What about Kate killing Wayne? How is she a paragon of anything after murdering him? What did that world's Luke say or do about it?

SM/Lois/SM-II: Earth 96 - "Caped Wonder Stun City"--a Daily Planet headline from Superman the Movie (1978).

Superman vs Superman....if only the FX were not so crappy.

Oliver: Using one of the Lazarus Pits on him was a novel idea, if for no other reason than to see if he returns with any insight about what is coming and who will end up on the dead side--not yet, in any case.

Lex: With Lex using the Book of Destiny to kill all Supermen, and the Monitor still insisting everyone has a part to play, I can't help thinking the showrunners will have a certain sister break her steady character path to stop her brother. If not that, then Lex himself will serve the same purpose as the younger Luthor from the comic.

NOTES: Using Williams' "Can You Read My Mind" was too much of a trip down memory lane.
For a 44 minute episode, only 20 minutes of it actually moved the plot in any way. The rest was filler (fan service), and this is "two hours" in....

GRADE: C.

 

Kind of a bore. Last night may have been full of plot holes, but at least it kept a good pace. Here, however, I lost interest several times. And as much as I'd like to say I was disappointed in the Smallville stuff, it was pretty much what I expected.

Or Martha.