You're projecting and looking for problems where none actually exist.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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You're projecting and looking for problems where none actually exist.
I think that there is a group of SW fans going through the process of recognizing that not all Star Wars is for them or that they will enjoy every single facet of Star Wars.
I mean, there are SW fans who got into the franchise due to "The Ewok Movie" or "The Battle for Endor." Lots of people enjoy the prequels and the Clone Wars series, while other fans (like myself) give them a pass.
The Sequel trilogy isn't for everyone. And I truly wish there wasn't this weird obsessive need to see all of a franchise. It isn't all going to be for me.
I mean, there are SW fans who got into the franchise due to "The Ewok Movie" or "The Battle for Endor." Lots of people enjoy the prequels and the Clone Wars series, while other fans (like myself) give them a pass.
The Sequel trilogy isn't for everyone. And I truly wish there wasn't this weird obsessive need to see all of a franchise. It isn't all going to be for me.
pls clarify. For some people these new powers work. For others they are just one of the problems
They're really not. They're speculating.
I think cinema has changed so much. It used to be that Yoda moving the X Wing with effort was truly a special moment, but for newer audiences who can see Ebony Maw move things with his mind without effort (and same with broom boy at the end of TLJ) .. the ideas of what makes the Force special seem a bit lost on audiences now
But, that's not really the fault of the new movies. That was a part of the PT and the Clone Wars, and video games and novels. The Force took on a whole different life in of itself within a lot of different materials.
not really the the fault of the new movies?
Sorry gotta disagree.
Stopping a blaster bolt and holding it there for entire scene.. Yet , it's ALMOST believable because he's been training for years, yet his power seems negligible next to someone who has not trained at all. The films just kind of make up the rules as they waddle along to a conclusion.
So the proverbial last page of the great book has been torn out, and thrown away. More chapters have been added, the story extended, new characters have showed up. And yet as we get closer to seeing the new end of the story, I realized what I wanted was not for the perfect ending to be torn up, but just to see what the universe was like. When the sequels were announced I wanted to see them because I wanted to see what could be built from them. Instead, I just feel betrayed. To me, the saga will always have an end that is utterly perfect and captures the spirit and warmth of friends coming together: our heroes celebrating at the Ewok village.. a last shot where we can see Lando getting down and having fun, where Luke, Han and Leia finally have happiness and reflection, and the shot quickly becomes black as space as Richard Marquand's name appears, someone who few people knew about but was tasked with directing the actors on the set for the final film and making sure the story was told on the set. Yes maybe George Lucas was the puppetmaster, standing behind him for most of the important scenes, and maybe more experienced players at ILM like Denis Muren were bringing teh space battles to life, but Marquaind made a film that we could say ended a great saga. Was the film perfect? Nah, my problems were not the ewoks (I'll defend how they were used, and find it quite fun) but just how the pacing didn't seem to be as punchy as the other films. Most of the film is people arriving places (Vader arriving at the death star, The droids, Leia and Luke arriving at the palace all separately, Palpatine arriving at the death star, etc) and maybe if they could have afforded it, the story could have had bit more edge to it in act two (like imagine if a wing of TIES had attacked the the fleet as they gathered, destroying a good number of ships and leaving the question of whether their Bothan intelligence was actually correct and should they gamble on it). But at least Return of the Jedi, capped off by the most spectacular land and space battles and the most personal lightsaber duel put on film, the movie never, not for one second, forgot what the heart of Star Wars was.. people coming together to defend or fight with their family and friends, and it's the faith in them that makes everything work. I don't see that faith, the deep-seeded trust, in any of the new films. so why the proverbial last page was ripped out and the new pages were added is a mystery to me.
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With due respect there is not a single sequel that could have been done to satisfy the warmth felt from the end of ROTJ. The books never continued that warmth, video games always had new powers and new challengers, and on and on.
With due respect, this is holding on to a nostalgic feeling and it will never be topped.
Sadly, the new films were doomed to fail if this is the view held.
I don't disagree. I just wish that we got worldbuilding instead of deconstructionist cynicism
I don't see the cynicism as others do. Certainly this is a mileage will vary type of situation. To me, the ST is very mythological in its worldbuilding, largely because the ROTJ send off is so iconic. You are going to struggle with how to move forward, and a classic mythic story is one where evil comes back (Hell, that's the plot of ESB from ANH-evil is only defeated for a time).
Again, mileage will vary. But, it's only cynical if one simply looks at through the lens of ROTJ victory as the end goal. Because, an ROTJ victory was not going to be forever. Happily ever after is a modern invention, not a mythological one. And Star Wars has always been modern mythmaking, and relied on mythology.
It really seems you are looking for reasons to dislike a movie you haven’t seen yet.
Have we not had scores of books and TV series doing that worldbuilding?
It's like TFA was, as far as the main points go, a hard reset. The Empire was defeated.. yet it's back again, and they already dominate everything. I mean at one point they were planning on making one film a year indefinitely.. they could have built up what the First Order is, they could have laid track for future stories, they could have shown the First Order as something similar to the Nazi's that fleed to Argentina, and then shown them getting power. But instead, we basically just have the minimalist of explanations "The first order rose from the ashes of the empire".. done.. that is literally IT. The appeal of a sequel is to compare where things were to where they are when the sequel starts. The new Ghostbusters trailer seems to follow the exact formula of TFA.. but there is a possibility that we really get to see the context of what is the same and what is different
Maybe Abrams thought we were smart enough to not need to be spoon fed exposition?
Though I have a feeling even if they had done it the way you suggested, you would still be here complaining.
What are the odds our friend will come away from IX glowing and declaring he loved it?
Even if he did?
Absolute zero. Already spent far too much time and energy tearing down the people involved.
And yet that's what the novels did for years and years. Thrawn, and the reborn Emperor, etc, etc.
What we basically had in ROTJ was the victory of World War 1, the "war to end all wars." We will "know peace in our time" as the old quote goes. The New Republic was so afraid of another war it became complacent.
The First Order rising from the ashes of the Empire is all I need to know exactly what happened.
And it is pretty easy to see happening, with pretty much every organization, on every planet stocked from top to bottom with folks picked by the Empire.
The New Republic never stood a chance. Which would be interesting to read about in novels, but I'm not sure it would make a good "Star Wars" movie, which are supposed to be for kids.
