Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Take Han in Disney Solo movie, within two minutes of the film and after the character is established, he had three clear goals (to leave Corrilia, to get a ship of his own, and to be with the girl) where as Rey.. eh wants to leave, except she wants to stay and wait for her parents, yet she knows they aren';t coming back, and she doesn't really want to help, and she doens't really want to take Solo's job offer, and yet we know she will do the right thing despite the fact there is no reason considering her background for her to do it. Oh and about that Han solo movie, that three year time jump early on.. implies that he had some kind of training ..

 

[fireproof78]

Take Han in Disney Solo movie, within two minutes of the film and after the character is established, he had three clear goals (to leave Corrilia, to get a ship of his own, and to be with the girl) where as Rey.. eh wants to leave, except she wants to stay and wait for her parents, yet she knows they aren';t coming back, and she doesn't really want to help, and she doens't really want to take Solo's job offer, and yet we know she will do the right thing despite the fact there is no reason considering her background for her to do it. Oh and about that Han solo movie, that three year time jump early on.. implies that he had some kind of training ..

Rey survived for 14(?)ish years in a harsh environment, with little supports. She had some kind of training.

Rey's goal is more existential-she wants to belong. Hence the confusion of wanting to leave, longing to travel, yet fearful and wanting to stay. It's classic attachment disorder. Fascinating stuff, really, and just as interesting as Solo in, um, Solo.

Never mind the fact that we had no idea of Solo's background and yet he still did the right thing...weird.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Rey is just born amazing, is gifted the powers when she needs them (why was Rey able to perform a mind trick without having seen it performed?) , she is given powers by needs of the plot, or she was given all her powers in her tragic and unseen backstory, nullifying the need for us to question any of it.. or the need to work that hard for any of it on screen. Even the male characters like Harry Potter than lean toward these traits, there is still a sense that they have many conflicts to overcome, goals that are specific that they want to accomplish, a sense of agency in their own story, Rey like characters will often appear weak and vulnerable when.. as far as the story goes, they are invincible.

 

[HugeLobes]

Rey also wants nothing because she never had anything. Some of the most humble, generous people I know are those who had nothing growing up.

She wants to act. She wants to do something. She’s a doer. That’s why she was so glad to escape Jaku and get an opportunity to be part of something. It’s the most endearing thing about her!

This is why I dislike the idea of the Force somehow coughing her up pre-programmed to balance things out. If that’s what she’s going to do, it should do it because she feels it’s the right thing to do.

 

[fireproof78]

Rey is just born amazing, is gifted the powers when she needs them (why was Rey able to perform a mind trick without having seen it performed?) , she is given powers by needs of the plot, or she was given all her powers in her tragic and unseen backstory, nullifying the need for us to question any of it.. or the need to work that hard for any of it on screen. Even the male characters like Harry Potter than lean toward these traits, there is still a sense that they have many conflicts to overcome, goals that are specific that they want to accomplish, a sense of agency in their own story, Rey like characters will often appear weak and vulnerable when.. as far as the story goes, they are invincible.

Rey is weak and vulnerable.

And, rarely is the main character not invincible. Sorry, again, this comes across as nitpicking this character, rather than making any effort to appreciate these films. Is complaining about Rey helpful?

She wants to act. She wants to do something. She’s a doer. That’s why she was so glad to escape Jaku and get an opportunity to be part of something. It’s the most endearing thing about her!

This is why I dislike the idea of the Force somehow coughing her up pre-programmed to balance things out. If that’s what she’s going to do, it should do it because she feels it’s the right thing to do.

I don't think she is preprogrammed to balance things out. I think if the Force does that it brings about the possibility, but doesn't command her to do anything.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

She wants to act. She wants to do something. She’s a doer. That’s why she was so glad to escape Jaku and get an opportunity to be part of something. It’s the most endearing thing about her!

I seem to remember her wanting to go back. Yeah..

 

[fireproof78]

I seem to remember her wanting to go back. Yeah..

How dare a character have conflict...

What's the point? Why spend so much time on something that clearly makes you miserable?

 

[USS Firefly]

Just wondering though, are you not seeing it because you really don’t care or because you don’t want to contribute to making the movie a success?

Not judging either way. Just curious.

I was disappointed because to me It felt that everyone of the OT had to be depressed and they had to die.
TFA felt like a reboot of ANH and TLJ had terrible pacing, and I feel nothing for the new characters.
So I am not really interested in EP 9.

So I don't care anymore about this trilogie, the next one I will give a fair chance.

And If I and 7 of my friends go or not, the movie will be a huge succes and easy make the 1 billion dollar.

So you may judge me now

 

[Mage]

I cannot wait for this movie!!!
I mean.. come on.. I mean I can't think of a movie that will have more conveniences and unsatisfying explanations as this one.. like
- we saw Kylo smash his helmets to little pieces, yet it seems to be rebuilt from much bigger pieces..I guess I should try rebuilding eggs after I've broken them
- I'm sure JJ cares one bit about how Kylo recovered those pieces from a ship that was torn in half in the last movie
- just like he will give us an explanation as to how Kylo will have Vader's helmet despite the fact that it was on Starkiller base which was blown up two films prior..
- or maybe it wasn't on the base, maybe it was on that orbiting star destroyer, which will just point out the shoddy filmmaking of episode 7, where the establishing shots were even cause for confusion and laziness
- I can't wait for a whole fleet of fully manned Star Destroyers to come out from the ice from a single order from Palpatine, or to see them fight within an atmosphere, or to see our heroes use horse riders to knock out the one star destroyer to make all the other ones shut down. Exciting, original stuff!
- Oh and Palpatine.. I can't wait to see Palpatine again, to make everything that Luke and vader did in Return of the Jedi useless so REY can be the real hero.

I literally did NOT want to read the 5 pages after this post simply because I just knew how much and what you contributed to it......

 

[Mage]

I was disappointed because to me It felt that everyone of the OT had to be depressed and they had to die.
TFA felt like a reboot of ANH and TLJ had terrible pacing, and I feel nothing for the new characters.
So I am not really interested in EP 9.

So I don't care anymore about this trilogie, the next one I will give a fair chance.

And If I and 7 of my friends go or not, the movie will be a huge succes and easy make the 1 billion dollar.

So you may judge me now

Not judging, but......

Have you considered that spending 2,5 hours of your entire life watching a movie that might just give a whole new perspective on what you previously experienced and make you appreciate something more as a whole?
Not saying that WILL happen ofcourse. I could be completely wrong. But, what if I'm right? Why not take chance? See what happens?

 

[USS Firefly]

Not judging, but......

Have you considered that spending 2,5 hours of your entire life watching a movie that might just give a whole new perspective on what you previously experienced and make you appreciate something more as a whole?
Not saying that WILL happen ofcourse. I could be completely wrong. But, what if I'm right? Why not take chance? See what happens?

I can't imagine how they will fix the things so I will enjoy the sequel trilogie.
One day I will see the movie on tv, propably next year.

It is also that my friends and I are busy with work/family etc, we don't see each other often so we prefer to do something we all enjoy for sure, we found EP 7 and 8 so disappointing and depressing.

So we are going to eat somewere and go to the bar.... maybe getting drunk and still going to EP 9

 

[Booji]

Is it so difficult to use the fucking ignore feature? Jesus H Christ, it's been pages of crap.

 

[HugeLobes]

I don't think she is preprogrammed to balance things out. I think if the Force does that it brings about the possibility, but doesn't command her to do anything.

It's hard to choose the right word when dealing with something as ill-defined and otherworldly as the Force, so preprogrammed might not quite hit the nail on the head. I just think there's a difference between a 'nobody' who happens to have certain qualities that are refined through her difficult upbringing and one who is essentially created by the Force to do something. Even if the Force 'brings about the possibility', it means her actions aren't quite her own. She doesn't have to be destined by the Force or part of some legendary family to do something meaningful. She just has to be Rey.

And what if she fails and the Dark Side doesn't fall? Does the Force just create someone else?

 

[BillJ]

Take Han in Disney Solo movie, within two minutes of the film and after the character is established, he had three clear goals (to leave Corrilia, to get a ship of his own, and to be with the girl) where as Rey.. eh wants to leave, except she wants to stay and wait for her parents, yet she knows they aren';t coming back, and she doesn't really want to help, and she doens't really want to take Solo's job offer, and yet we know she will do the right thing despite the fact there is no reason considering her background for her to do it. Oh and about that Han solo movie, that three year time jump early on.. implies that he had some kind of training ..

It is weird. A young human who is incredibly unclear on what they want to do in any given situation. Honestly, from what I've seen of life, that is the norm for young people.

 

[Mage]

I can't imagine how they will fix the things so I will enjoy the sequel trilogie.
One day I will see the movie on tv, propably next year.

It is also that my friends and I are busy with work/family etc, we don't see each other often so we prefer to do something we all enjoy for sure, we found EP 7 and 8 so disappointing and depressing.

So we are going to eat somewere and go to the bar.... maybe getting drunk and still going to EP 9

See, that's the thing. We always say 'I can't imagine' but we forget that there are imaginations out there that can tickle our fancies. Who knows that someone can come up with. Even people that disappointed you in the past can still surprise you in the future.

 

[BillJ]

Love it or hate it, I can't imagine missing The Rise of Skywalker after following the franchise for 42 years now.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

It is weird. A young human who is incredibly unclear on what they want to do in any given situation. Honestly, from what I've seen of life, that is the norm for young people.

Doesn't necessarily make for good writing. Add to that that she is never tired, but she is often annoyed.
I care more and feel for the masked character that is the Mandalorian after three short episodes than two whole movies featuring Rey.. it's both writing AND performance

 

[BillJ]

Doesn't necessarily make for good writing.

I don't see how a character acting like a human makes for bad writing?

I care more and feel for the masked character that is the Mandalorian after three short episodes than two whole movies featuring Rey.. it's both writing AND performance

More likely, it is the wiener swinging between his legs.

 

[fireproof78]

Doesn't necessarily make for good writing. Add to that that she is never tired, but she is often annoyed.
I care more and feel for the masked character that is the Mandalorian after three short episodes than two whole movies featuring Rey.. it's both writing AND performance

Go for it.

Doesn't change the fact that others do, in fact, care for Rey. Nor does it change the fact that Rey is probably one of the more human characters to exist in the SW mythos.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Rey has no agency because she doesn't have anything for herself that she is interested in

That's factually incorrect. She made her own Rebel action figures, or... dolls if you prefer, and other toys to play with when she was living in the AT-AT. It was shown on-screen in TFA that she had done that.

Bracing myself for that goalpost shift....