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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

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Riproar of DC Comics who is from Apokoplis....

So no execuse that being true to the source material is why he looks like a rip-off of Doctor Octopus and Robocop. lol crazy. Sometimes the lack of imagination on these shows is frustrating. So there is no confusion - I do not think they should have been faithful to a character I had never heard of before. If the end result is being a copycat of other characters -why bother? The name itself is so generic too.
 
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^Hold on, though... If the Leviathan assassin is based on an Apokolips character... and I think there was a mention last week of an Intergang connection... could Leviathan actually be run by Apokolips? Could that old woman be Granny Goodness?
 
That is a really good point! I had been thinking the old woman’s secret meetings remind of how Granny was first introduced on Smallville. Like it or not these writers have drawn from that show.

Intergang references - Arrow, different Earth of course, made a throwaway mention in early season. When Morgan Edge was on Supergirl no mention was made of Intergang. So saying it now could mean something is planned. They avoided it with Edge.
 
When Morgan Edge was on Supergirl no mention was made of Intergang. So saying it now could mean something is planned. They avoided it with Edge.

Given how Edge just suddenly disappeared from the show, I think it's likely that the producers had to give up their plans for him when Adrian Pasdar moved over to Agents of SHIELD in a major recurring role. Maybe they would've tied him into Intergang eventually.
 
Supergirl
Season 5 /
Episode 4- "Dangerous Liaisons
GRADE: C+.

Sorry TREK_GOD_1 but, Dangerous Liaison was the 5x05 and not the 5x04,

Plus, this episode seems to have let fans quite indifferent as seeing as only 811K (vs 980K for the 5x04) watched the last episode with a demo of 0.2 (which remains inchanged from last week);

For people who, like me, are tired of writers attemps to make Lena a Lex 2.0, good news

The CW released the official synopsis of 5x07 that reads: "SOMETIMES THE PERSON YOU WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR IS STANDING BEHIND THE TRIGGER – Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) finally learns the truth about Lena (Katie McGrath) while tangling with Leviathan.& J’onn J’onnz (David Harewood) makes a discovery about his brother’s whereabouts.
 
It pains me to say this, but I'm still not feeling this season of Supergirl. We're five episodes in, and I continue to feel like nothing that's going on is really engaging or exciting me. Lena's story is probably working better than anything else, but even it doesn't have the juice it should, partly because of the way they're isolating her from the other regulars. She's scheming in a dramatic vacuum.

It's hard for me to believe these are the same showrunners as last season, who delivered perhaps the series' finest year to date. I fear they're currently well on their way to producing its worst. :confused:
 
It pains me to say this, but I'm still not feeling this season of Supergirl. We're five episodes in, and I continue to feel like nothing that's going on is really engaging or exciting me. Lena's story is probably working better than anything else, but even it doesn't have the juice it should, partly because of the way they're isolating her from the other regulars. She's scheming in a dramatic vacuum.

It's hard for me to believe these are the same showrunners as last season, who delivered perhaps the series' finest year to date. I fear they're currently well on their way to producing its worst. :confused:
IDK - it may be that because of the whole COIE event, they don't want to get too into the season story yet because of it. Part of my disunterest is that even though the Martain Manhunter storyline has a slightly different twist, it seems very similar to his last two storylines - and for me the 'Evil/Misguided Lena' and 'Catco' storylines are misfiring for me because to make them work they turn Kara back into naive 'Stupid Girl' yet again to make aspects of them work.
 
Sorry TREK_GOD_1 but, Dangerous Liaison was the 5x05 and not the 5x04,

Plus, this episode seems to have let fans quite indifferent as seeing as only 811K (vs 980K for the 5x04) watched the last episode with a demo of 0.2 (which remains inchanged from last week);

For people who, like me, are tired of writers attemps to make Lena a Lex 2.0, good news

The CW released the official synopsis of 5x07 that reads: "SOMETIMES THE PERSON YOU WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR IS STANDING BEHIND THE TRIGGER – Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) finally learns the truth about Lena (Katie McGrath) while tangling with Leviathan.& J’onn J’onnz (David Harewood) makes a discovery about his brother’s whereabouts.

A dip in ratings is because last week sucked and no one tunes in this week.

If some one says "fuck it" half way through an episode, and stops watching... That probably counts as 1 view still.

I suppose someone may DECIDE to tune out between episodes because the advert sucks or the blurb in TV Guide for next week seems ripe, but how bad can an ad be, and what does TV Guide know that I don't know?
 
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IDK - it may be that because of the whole COIE event, they don't want to get too into the season story yet because of it. Part of my disunterest is that even though the Martain Manhunter storyline has a slightly different twist, it seems very similar to his last two storylines - and for me the 'Evil/Misguided Lena' and 'Catco' storylines are misfiring for me because to make them work they turn Kara back into naive 'Stupid Girl' yet again to make aspects of them work.
It's not a great idea to spin your narrative wheels for two months just because of an impending crossover. Batwoman, for example, is working its ass off every week, Crisis or no Crisis.

And yeah, the J'onn story feels tired, not to mention straining credulity to the limit. Seriously, all the surviving Green Martians just happen to be members of his immediate family?
 
It's not a great idea to spin your narrative wheels for two months just because of an impending crossover. Batwoman, for example, is working its ass off every week, Crisis or no Crisis.

but with Batwoman avoids the wheelspinning because it can go on with world building.

Had the seris been around for a few years I think it would be stuck in the same way as Supergirl.
 
For people who, like me, are tired of writers attemps to make Lena a Lex 2.0, good news

The CW released the official synopsis of 5x07 that reads: "SOMETIMES THE PERSON YOU WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR IS STANDING BEHIND THE TRIGGER – Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) finally learns the truth about Lena (Katie McGrath) while tangling with Leviathan.& J’onn J’onnz (David Harewood) makes a discovery about his brother’s whereabouts.

That spoiler description does not alter the course of the character in question.

but with Batwoman avoids the wheelspinning because it can go on with world building.

Yes--its new and its own story to tell apart from the other series, and at present, its not always reaching toward other events, but is very much a "homebody" series, as it should be.

Had the seris been around for a few years I think it would be stuck in the same way as Supergirl.

I agree to a point: Bat-themed plots have so much to explore that have nothing to do with global or galactic conflicts, so they could conceivably stay the more grounded course, so larger, one-off events are just that, not slowing down series progression as some see with Supergirl..
 
I think the problem this season is the writers are trying too hard to insert subtext that they've kind of forgotten about the engaging story stuff. There's obviously a clear theme about [the importance of] personal autonomy and agency, but every story arc has gone into promoting that message, with an obligatory freak of the weak tagged on for good measure.
 
Sorry TREK_GOD_1 but, Dangerous Liaison was the 5x05 and not the 5x04,

Plus, this episode seems to have let fans quite indifferent as seeing as only 811K (vs 980K for the 5x04) watched the last episode with a demo of 0.2 (which remains inchanged from last week);

For people who, like me, are tired of writers attemps to make Lena a Lex 2.0, good news

The CW released the official synopsis of 5x07 that reads: "SOMETIMES THE PERSON YOU WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR IS STANDING BEHIND THE TRIGGER – Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) finally learns the truth about Lena (Katie McGrath) while tangling with Leviathan.& J’onn J’onnz (David Harewood) makes a discovery about his brother’s whereabouts.

I fail to see how that spoiler is "good" news, unless you think it means someone gets saved sooner rather than later and a crazy subplot gets dropped early.
 
I never really noticed before, but pretty much all of Alex's storylines have been about her love life. I was trying to think of a non romantic arc that she's had, and I'm coming up blank. With all of the skills that she has, you'd think they could find more for her to do.

Well, there was the whole amnesia storyline last season.
 
Batwoman is moving at the pace that it is because, in-universe, it's chronologically a year behind all of the other "core" Arrowverse series and has to tell a year's worth of story in less than 2 months.
 
Watched "Dangerous Liaisons" yesterday and let me tell you that the Obsedian technology is damn creepy (who is crazy enough for wearing VR contact lenses outside in stand there for a bit, smiling as zombie-consciousness, to the point of not even seeing the danger approaching and waiting before reacting?! Ah yes,
those who consult their mobile phone at any time and any place! :whistle:

Anyway, what a strange episode there, which begins with a banal police investigation and ends with a planetary environmental threat and in the middle of all this, the appearance of Doctor Octopus! Between the Rojas family and the Leviathan, we start to get lost (who is working on behalf of who and why? There are still 3 or 4 epsidoes to get some answers before approaching the next crossover).
=> I wonder if the lack of index about the ineluctable events which will take place in Crisis and the resulting changes resulting won't make the situation more painful for our heros, precisely because they were not prepared to face them, contrary to Oliver, Barry, their friends and relatives who already know for a little while that something serious is going to happen, which will put their lives upside down and who are getting ready.
Lately and for the fist time, I read about the possibility of major death(s) in Crisis like the one of Lena or Alex, which let Kara/Supergirl (as seeing as it is almost certain that she will come out alive just like Barry) in an emotional state and will make her change her approach in relation to the people & aliens she will meet later.
In short, the death of her friend or sister would harden Kara, she who was affable and offering her love/ friendship to anyone so easily. I fear that the second part of the season be more dark than what we have already seen from s3.

Otherwise,

- Kara & William who turn into amateur investigators to bring to light the dishonest actions of the Rojas family and end up discovering that Russel, William's best friend whose he mourned the death, was finally alive but transformed in Rip Roar. And all while continuing their little seductive dance where they would be the only two protagonists. BLAH! :shifty:,
-> he is definitely being set up as the new love interest but when a relationship is based on thin threads that barely hold it together and is destined to end in a few months!

- J'onn, playing the role of confidant and adviser when a little lost Kara comes to see him.
It was nice to see this tender side of J'onn even if ironically, that is the same J'onn who is completly overwhelmed by emotions when he faces the brother he had rejected and almost forgotten.

- Andrea Rojas: would she be less suspicious than we thought in the events which took place in this episode. In fact, she really gives the impression of being overwhelmed by the magnitude of the events (the questions about the unexplained disappearance of her boyfriend; some kind of global change created by the Leviathan and his representant in the person of the old lady),

- Lena and Malefic, the most interesting part IMHO :
=> I waited impatiently for a sign proving that Lena had not completly flopped into dark side of the Force and what I saw in this episode gave me hope again. I think they nailed down her moral alignment quite nicely. (-> yes, she wants to be able to control people's minds, aliens and humans, but not at any price; meaning not at the cost of human/alien lives like her brother and mother, Lex & Lilian, would have certainly done but in the same time, she proves to be worthy of a Luthor), in particular her friends. Besides, right the beginning of the season, Lena had said that she didn't want to kill Supergirl (and by extension, none of her friends so, she practices what she said). Even if Lena's doing ambiguously immoral things, she is not evil. She believes that she is improving humanity, solving a problem, so I'm glad we saw that side of her again.
=> So now Lena can controll a martian...well the martian mind controll power is in the dumpster. What will she do with this power? (Lena finessed the fuck out of Malefic! :techman:->Lena: " I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further".)
=> Maybe I'm wrong but through "Your friends are your rock." said by Malefic, this is the key which will push Lena to forgive Kara for her betrayal (that and Lena using Malefic's power against him which is going to come back to haunt her later in the season, which likely will lead definitively to reconciliation with Kara). As for Kara, it will be surely the guilt after to have seen the extent of her BF's break for having lied to her the entire time. Their friendship is unalterable, no matter the ups and downs crossed.
=> may I say that I still don't like Lena's arc this season and I think that this isn't going to end well at all for her but, in the same time, that was pretty badass!

- So Kara is keeping Nia in the dark about William being a good guy and not a jerk as they thought. That is probably best but well, more transparency will be appreciated because it was precisely the lack of it which put her relationship with Lena in limbo.

- Brainy: Hats off to Jesse Rath (and Phil LaMarr, by the way) for his performance for the scene in the interrogation room. Brainy as the spider creature was awesome.

And to end,

- Alex and Kelly: As much as I lke Alex and only begin to like Kelly SEPARETELY, they don’t need relationship spotlight 5 episodes in a row, especially when it's so badly/poorly managed..., unless they’re building for a breakup with them. Anyway, more I sew them together more I confirm that there is zero chemistry between both characters and actresses.

- A question: why did producers made Andrea Brooks a regular if they use so few (only 1 or 2 scenes and always with Katie McGrath at her side?) Even Azie Tesfai, who was promoted in the same time than Brooks has more scenes and has her character doing things in solo!

Points of crispation:
- Since when "dateaversary" became a word I remember than Glee loved to make mashups and it is common to associate names of characters when they form a couple but there?! Hey, I guess that for their next "dativersary", Alex and Kelly will get their names tattooed on each other! :D). And the fact that they repeat it again again became quickly tiring like the sudden fixation from Alex's part on whether she'll have to tell her girlfriend her boss is a criminal was irritating! :rolleyes:
- Nia's powers make no sense (alone, she can stop a huge tsunami without moving while Brainy just told us a few minutes before that several regions throught the world were in danger?!
- The dialogue between Kara and J'onn at the geyser was terrible.
 
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