Is that the only world mentioned? It sounds like they made a little bit of progress into Federation territory. They could conquer the entire Federation and it would still only be a tiny fraction of the "alpha quadrant"
Where was the Enterprise during the Dominion War?
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The Enterprise as the Starfleet flagship should be defending the Federation HQ on Earth, where was the ship when the Breen attacked? How did the Breen pass all those other Federation worlds and get pass Earth defenses without cloaked ships?
Then again, none of the Enterprises, least of all the E-E, was considered the Starfleet Flagship.
The E-D used to be the Federation Flagship, whatever that means; doesn't sound particularly military. The E-E a year after her launch was considered an "advanced" vessel, at the end of her one-year shakedown. So possibly a testbed for buggy systems, always undergoing maintenance?
How the Breen got to Earth is an interesting question. Starships probably played little role in the actual fight over Earth, though, as generally very few are anywhere near Earth even during crises, and planetary defenses tend to make short work of thousands of ships (unless shut down by superbeings or secret codes or whatnot). But if the Breen simply fought their way to Earth through dozens of defended lightyears by firing their energy damper gun, one would expect starships to rush in to defend Earth, too.
Timo Saloniemi
The E-D used to be the Federation Flagship, whatever that means; doesn't sound particularly military. The E-E a year after her launch was considered an "advanced" vessel, at the end of her one-year shakedown. So possibly a testbed for buggy systems, always undergoing maintenance?
How the Breen got to Earth is an interesting question. Starships probably played little role in the actual fight over Earth, though, as generally very few are anywhere near Earth even during crises, and planetary defenses tend to make short work of thousands of ships (unless shut down by superbeings or secret codes or whatnot). But if the Breen simply fought their way to Earth through dozens of defended lightyears by firing their energy damper gun, one would expect starships to rush in to defend Earth, too.
Timo Saloniemi
Given that the Breen just targeted San Fransisco, it's possible it was only a three or four ship mission. When they attacked Earth, it wasn't widespread knowledge they signed on with the Dominion, so it's possible those ships were on their to Earth under false pretenses ahead of time... say, a diplomatic envoy. Warp signatures could be faked go make them look like simple transports or cargo ships, and since mozt of the attacking ships were destroyed, it's very likely those didn't even HAVE the energy draining weapon.
That attack on Earth seemed almost like a suicide run, designed to throw off Starfleet and demoralize them. And it worked, because even Martok was impressed that they went and attacked Earth, something the Klingons never even did.
The Breen probably waited until Chin'toka to use those weapons specifically to destroy manh more ships, giving the Federation no warning they had this ability.
Had the Breen used those weapons on ships around Earth, Starfleet would have had some warning and adjusted tactics at Chin'toka or simply write off the system instead of losing hundreds of ships and thousands of people.
The Breen strategized quite well.
That attack on Earth seemed almost like a suicide run, designed to throw off Starfleet and demoralize them. And it worked, because even Martok was impressed that they went and attacked Earth, something the Klingons never even did.
The Breen probably waited until Chin'toka to use those weapons specifically to destroy manh more ships, giving the Federation no warning they had this ability.
Had the Breen used those weapons on ships around Earth, Starfleet would have had some warning and adjusted tactics at Chin'toka or simply write off the system instead of losing hundreds of ships and thousands of people.
The Breen strategized quite well.
There's a short story about that - https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Eleven_Hours_Out
If I recall right, the Breen ships were disguised, and an operative (maybe a changeling) managed to temporarilly disrupt planetary defences
"Believed to" - In "Hero Worship"
I am skeptical that the Dominion would risk a changeling on a very dangerous raid into the heart of enemy territory.
...Although for all we know the Changeling that supposedly bombed the Antwerp meeting was faked by Leyton's cabal, while the one pretending to be Leyton never put its gelatinous neck in any sort of personal danger.
The Bashir Changeling of "By Inferno's Light" is a more fitting example of a Founder operative (not!) pulling off a truly dangerous stunt for the Link and the Country.
Timo Saloniemi
The Bashir Changeling of "By Inferno's Light" is a more fitting example of a Founder operative (not!) pulling off a truly dangerous stunt for the Link and the Country.
Timo Saloniemi
Leyton didn't fake the O'Brien changeling, who said there were 4 on Earth.
...Not exactly "raiding" Earth, unlike the one that was claimed to have bombed the meeting and escaped in the nick of time. Now infiltrating "the heart of enemy territory" was basic Founder action, but it takes "By Inferno's Light" or perhaps "The Adversary" to establish that Founders indeed might personally attend and indeed facilitate dangerous missions of destruction.
One wonders if the Odyssey already didn't go down because there was a Founder agent on board, too. Just one episode later, Starfleet shields hold pretty well (even if they succcumb to superior firepower eventually), rather than appear transparent to enemy beams. Perhaps a Founder was relaying shield frequencies to the Jem'Hadar in "The Jem'Hadar", much like LaForge relayed them to the Klingons in ST:GEN?
Timo Saloniemi
One wonders if the Odyssey already didn't go down because there was a Founder agent on board, too. Just one episode later, Starfleet shields hold pretty well (even if they succcumb to superior firepower eventually), rather than appear transparent to enemy beams. Perhaps a Founder was relaying shield frequencies to the Jem'Hadar in "The Jem'Hadar", much like LaForge relayed them to the Klingons in ST:GEN?
Timo Saloniemi
Infiltrating planetary defences to temporary disable them seems a reasonable job for a founder
Although I understand this regular fan gripe, I gotta be real and admit it never bothered me. I feel like Insurrection does a pretty good job of showing what they were doing: diplomacy, and getting allies for the war effort. Not everything involving the Enterprise has to be in the thick of battle (indeed, one could argue that was specifically Sisko's role), and even in wartime, there's such a thing as the diplomatic corps. I'd even go as far as to argue that its using Picard and his crew to their best talents.
The good old Royal Navy did send its mighty battleships on "diplomatic missions" on occasion during WWII - the only way to get Churchill to really distant locations, say, across the Atlantic. The RN did not send any of its battleships to conduct hydrographic surveys, though.
If Picard and his crew were needed, Starfleet could pack them in a Type 17½ shuttle and send them to their all-important diplomatic assignment, while Captain Leland T. Dunsel III could command the E-E to a series of glorious victories.
Timo Saloniemi
If Picard and his crew were needed, Starfleet could pack them in a Type 17½ shuttle and send them to their all-important diplomatic assignment, while Captain Leland T. Dunsel III could command the E-E to a series of glorious victories.
Timo Saloniemi
Where were they during the Dominion War?
Eurm ... presumably on a 2-3 year long tour of archaeological excavations, advanced warp physics conferences, and Shakespearean festivals?
Eurm ... presumably on a 2-3 year long tour of archaeological excavations, advanced warp physics conferences, and Shakespearean festivals?
Movie theater?
The first part of the war, likely in a top secret high security berth at utopia plantia.
First contact happened just before the war with the enterprise half assimilated.
First, Starfleet intelligence and every cybernetics expert in the federation will want to go over the ship with a fine toothcomb to see if there is Borg tec to learn from or steal.
Then they have to deborg the ship,which would likely take time for practical or saftey reasons.
I could see this taking a year AT LEAST.
First contact happened just before the war with the enterprise half assimilated.
First, Starfleet intelligence and every cybernetics expert in the federation will want to go over the ship with a fine toothcomb to see if there is Borg tec to learn from or steal.
Then they have to deborg the ship,which would likely take time for practical or saftey reasons.
I could see this taking a year AT LEAST.
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Also, ST:FC was their first solid evidence that Picard indeed was a filthy traitor, still maintaining a hotline to the Borg. Until then, they may have mistakenly believed that either Crusher in "BoBW2", or then some more extensive sanitation team in "Family", had indeed managed to debug Picard's body as claimed. But now they know there are enough nanites inside him to whip up a subspace receiver whenever needed! Time to panic, I'd say: luckily, the E-D was already dust, but any other piece of hardware that had been exposed to Picard would now be considered compromised. The visible Borg modifications to the E-E would be the least concerning part of that...
Timo Saloniemi
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I was rewatching the wedding of Worf and Jadzia and I'm surprised they didn't mention Picard or Riker or Troi sending their congratulations to Worf for getting hitched. I find it odd they wouldn't be there.
Both Insurrection and Nemesis should've been about the Dominion War instead of being what they were about (although the latter movie did touch upon it briefly with a mention of Shinzon having been a major participant in the war.)
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