But the line in question belongs to Vader.
Some questions about Rogue One
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It's not just the line, it's the whole scene. The line is cringe because of the fact that it basically knocks Krennic down and makes him a lesser villain.
It's all cringe to me. Any of the Vader scenes in RO I skip.
I kind of like the "choke on your aspirations" line, mostly for the fun of hearing Vader speak a line that seems tailored to Anakin from the prequels.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Armored_Cargo_Transport
They're a bigger variant meant to haul cargo.
Something I'd not quite realized/forgotten until I rewatched the film last night is that Krennic doesn't go to Vader to grovel, he's summoned by Vader because of concerns over the security leaks. In other words, if Krennic groveled, he at least didn't do so on his own initiative.
Krennic is constantly being put down by Tarkin, and is always on the edge of a tantrum that he's being pulled off the project he led because Tarkin spent all his time jockeying for political power rather than actually contributing to the Death Star beyond initially saying "You know that big ball with some kind of gun on it the Separatists are building? The Republic/Empire should build one!" Credit travels up, blame travels down, it's an old story.
The film always made him a lesser villain.
He's no Lex Luthor, since he's just stealing his friend Galen Erso's idea rather than inventing it himself. His friend then escaped his grasp. His friend's wife got the drop on him despite having all his troops around and almost killed him. He killed his friend's wife and let his daughter escape, getting rid of all his leverage. The daughter which ultimately destroys everything he built and is the cause of his death, albeit indirectly.
His security is lax, so the Bodhi guy defects with the message from Galen Erso. This causes Vader to question him and he grovels like a weasel and gets choked. He complains to Tarkin and manages to give away the goods so much that Tarkin goes from uninterested to wanting to steal his accomplishment. The Rebels break in, steal the plans, wreck the base and part of the fleet overhead, and Tarkin blows him up to take credit for the Death Star.
He's not totally incompetent, but he's one of those guys who fails upward. But he's definitely shown as being lesser at that point than both Vader and Tarkin. Not that they have unblemished records either, but that's still more in the very near future.
The film makes him even lesser. I know he is supposed to fail, to be usurped by Tarkin, but the film can't decide how successful he should be so it sets him to manipulate Erso and somewhat handle Tarkin.
The scene with Vader feels forced in order to get Vader there. As such, it doesn't feel like it services the story, and rather than relying upon one villain, it must shore it up by bringing in other villains. It stands out very oddly to me.
The line at the end is just the icing on the cake of making me painfully aware of why the scene is there.
But it's the only film he's in, so it's not as if they took some established character and suddenly made him come off as a lesser villain in comparison to Vader and Tarkin. Clearly that's the role they intended for him from start to finish.
That's fair...I just don't think it did the character any favors and detracted from the film.
Ooh, I love Krennic. Probably my favorite Star Wars villain. Precisely because he's a total loser. He's middle management. A paper pusher. He can keep things organized, but he's got no accomplishments of his own. He rides the coattails of better man and tries to push himself off as somehow responsible for their greatness. He's not even evil. He's building one of the most ridiculous weapons of mass murder ever conceived, and the morality doesn't even enter into the equation. It's just his big win that will finally open up the door to that upper echelon of society he's dreamed of joining, but has always failed because he just doesn't bring anything to the table.
And, as to the above quote, I disagree. The movie makes it a point at just how startlingly inept Krennic really is. He doesn't manipulate Erso, he uses the overwhelming power of the stormtrooper corps to coerce acquiescence. Erso manipulates him. So completely that somehow, even after he murdered the man's wife and separated him from his daughter, he can still be surprised by the betrayal.
And Krennic doesn't handle Tarkin, at all. They aren't even in the same league. Krennic continues because Tarkin can't be bothered. The moment the Death Star actually works, and now brings real value to the Empire, Tarkin was already moving Krennic out of the way. Krennic certainly believed he could maneuver with Tarkin, but he was steadfastly and hopelessly wrong. It's his up-jumped arrogance that I find so endearing, because I've had to work with so many people like him. He actually think that pushing some items around on a spreadsheet and keeping things on schedule gives him some meaningful responsibility for the hard work done by the people whose achievements he's stealing for himself.
Krennick is one of my favorite movie villains period. He was perfect in this movie.. SW usually has black or white characters.. and they made a different kind of character that was still on that two-sided (as the evil side) and didn't find a need to give him a shade of grey, but instead having to answer to more powerful people. I love how throughout the film, he has constantly put out the brushfires caused by his own lapses in judgement. And the actor really shows his anxiety as the film wears on.
What makes him a great character is that we know what drives him.
2. They are footage shot for the first Star Wars, with new dialogue recorded for Gold Leader using the original actor. You'll notice when the dialogue is Rogue One specific, it's on an exterior shot.
Not just Gold and Red Leader. A lot of footage of female pilots is from RotJ. For some reason, it was felt that female pilots were out of place, and their shots weren't used. It was felt they could use it in Rogue One to mix things up a bit. I loved that.
Ironically, I was confused for years by the A-Wing pilot who is killed in ROTJ by the TIE Fighter, who happens to look almost exactly like the actor who plays Green Leader for her brief clip and whose sole existing line was voiced over by a very similar one. 
the Battle of Endor is very inconsistent when it comes to the use of footage and names applied to different characters in the footage.Ironically, I was confused for years by the A-Wing pilot who is killed in ROTJ by the TIE Fighter, who happens to look almost exactly like the actor who plays Green Leader for her brief clip and whose sole existing line was voiced over by a very similar one.
2. They are footage shot for the first Star Wars, with new dialogue recorded for Gold Leader using the original actor. You'll notice when the dialogue is Rogue One specific, it's on an exterior shot.
To add onto this, the characters are from cut ANH footage, but the cockpits are the new ones they made for Rogue One, they just cut out Gold/Red Leader from the old footage and inserted them into the new cockpits.
Huh? Where did that fact come from? I've only ever seen reports about Red/Gold leader footage.
Some of the female pilots have entries in the Rogue One Visual Guide, and they appear to be new characters, with new publicity photos.
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Nowhere in that article does it say they used footage from ROTJ in Rogue One.
The start of the article is about ROTJ and how they did cut footage from that movie that showed female pilots.
They misused the word cameo in the title.
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