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News Benioff and Weiss Leave Star Wars

If the premise that they were let go back in May is true, it does kinda make sense that it was kept quiet for so long precisely because Iger had literally just announced the date for their movies. Letting that news drop as it happened would not have been a good look for Disney or LF.

It's kinda hard to overstate how funny Disney is about keep up appearances. I mean remember that time they knee-jerk fired James Gunn because of some silly BS, then quietly re-hired him but didn't mention it until *months* after the fact because they don't want to look like they're indecisive and flip-flopping? Different situation but basically the same MO.

It's also probably not a coincidence that Disney and/or LF chose to announce they'd been dropped like right after they stuck their foot in their mouths about the GoT finale. Again: appearances are everything to The Mouse.

Looking back now; the common factor between Trank, Trevorrow, L&M, and now B&W seems to be a question of professional competence more so than backlash over other projects (though that seems to at least be a factor for all but L&M.)
Trank IIRC turned out to be a pain in the arse auteur wannabe, Trevorrow comes off like a hack, as do B&W. L&M seem to be the only ones they had *actual* non-euphemistic "creative differences." Which in my view was still on them not LF. If they had no intention of sticking to the script they were being paid to film, it was incumbent to state as much up-front, not try and do it their own way regardless, forcing things to come to a head mid-shoot.

Interestingly I'm about half way through the last of Rinzler's "Making of Star Wars" book and I'm really starting to see why it's been so difficult for LF to find the right fit for their directors and also what George himself went from "maybe I'll direct the first prequel and get someone else to direct the other two" to "I guess I'll direct them all then..."

Star Wars is such a specific thing that it's very difficult to find someone that *gets* it AND is willing to paint within the lines and not wander off too far on their own tangent.
In that sense I think Jon Favreau was very smart in proposing a TV project instead of a movie as that kind of dynamic where the Exec has creative authority over the directors is much easier to deal with in an episodic format. TV directors know they're hired guns come to enact someone else's vision, with perhaps a little flourish or two of their own.

February 6, 2018 - On Starwars.com (it appears article is no longer available but date per Wookiepedia), it is announced that David Benioff & D.B. Weiss will create their own Star Wars trilogy.
Nothing on the internet is ever really gone... ;)
 
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Trank IIRC turned out to be a pain in the arse auteur wannabe, Trevorrow comes off like a hack, as do B&W. L&M seem to be the only ones they had *actual* non-euphemistic "creative differences." Which in my view was still on them not LF. If they had no intention of sticking to the script they were being paid to film, it was incumbent to state as much up-front, not try and do it their own way regardless, forcing things to come to a head mid-shoot.
Lord and Miller's entire shtick was that they didn't stick to the script and made up stuff as they went. If LFL wanted a director that stuck to Kasdan's script, they shouldn't have hired those two in the first place. It was absolutely the fault of LFL in the first place for giving them the director's chair and taking it away when they were just doing what they were hired for.
 
Lord and Miller's entire shtick was that they didn't stick to the script and made up stuff as they went. If LFL wanted a director that stuck to Kasdan's script, they shouldn't have hired those two in the first place. It was absolutely the fault of LFL.
That really rather depends on what was discussed prior to shooting. These movies aren't made on a whim. There are many many meetings both creative and financial as well as contract negotiations. You'd think at some point the question of what to do in the case of script alterations would have been stipulated.
And it's not as if this was a "whoops, my bad I thought you knew we weren't serious about actually filming the script, we'll do as we're told now" type of situation. By most accounts they were repeatedly called on this and they actively refused to comply, assuming they'd just get their way because: Lego Movie!

Whichever way you cut it, that's unprofessional and it's not really on LF for supposedly taking them at their word that they'd make the movie they were hired to make. Because that's just dumb.
 
Good read..
So there looking for other filmakers..
I have one Suggestion..
DAVE FILLONI!!
A nice big trilogy with Ashoka, Sabine, Ezra and Thrawn would be EPIC!
 
This stood out me:

Kennedy was not convinced the pair — known for focusing on one project at a time — could truly juggle a sci-fi trilogy while also overseeing film and TV projects at Netflix. Sources say that as the duo shopped for a new overall deal over the summer, they told potential suitors that they planned to juggle new projects and work on Star Wars at the same time.
So, Kennedy was looking to get the best Star Wars product she could from then and wasn't convinced they could handle it. Sounds like an appropriate separation.
 
This stood out me:


So, Kennedy was looking to get the best Star Wars product she could from then and wasn't convinced they could handle it. Sounds like an appropriate separation.

*sigh* if only we still had a thread for that... Unfortunately it had to be closed due to racism.
 
Interesting. And some of it seems to go against the Vanity Fair reporter’s interpretation of events.

There's also an article on variety that I didn't bother posting because it felt a bit more like an opinion piece.

And I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Deadline put out an article over the next few days that painted just a slightly different picture. After all, a lot of these Hollywood circles are big circles, and by the time info trickles down to the people who write the articles, different pieces of info might be remembered by different folks. Sort of like that telephone game where people whisper the same thing to someone all the way down the line, but when it reaches the end of the line, it frequently turns out to be something completely different.
 
Good read..
So there looking for other filmakers..
I have one Suggestion..
DAVE FILLONI!!
A nice big trilogy with Ashoka, Sabine, Ezra and Thrawn would be EPIC!
Filoni this far has produced 2 animated shows. That doesn't make him qualified to be a studio executive.

Sure, he is now directing live-action episodes of the new show, but this is still the "cutting his teeth" process.

Give him a few years
 
Good read..
So there looking for other filmakers..
I have one Suggestion..
DAVE FILLONI!!
A nice big trilogy with Ashoka, Sabine, Ezra and Thrawn would be EPIC!
You think it's an accident he's currently paired up with Jon Favreau making a live action TV show? They've been grooming Dave for a movie ever since George left the company.
 
So, Reported that they didn't like the "Toxic Fandom" of star wars.. Man these guys are thin skined.. they had like 10 years of Oh's and Ah's and emmys and awards thrown at them, but the final season the knives came out and they didn't like it! Boo Hoo! I mean the Twitter Mob are asshats but to let that keep you from making a movie, especially star wars?? as said.. thin skined..
And appears that they wanted to go back 1000's of years to the begining of the Jedi Order, while interesting, not really to much interested in an "Origin Story" Kind of filled up beyond the brim with those in superhero movies.. would be interesting if they don't make it, that they would release the whole premise.. but hey, might still get made..
 
So, Reported that they didn't like the "Toxic Fandom" of star wars.. Man these guys are thin skined.. they had like 10 years of Oh's and Ah's and emmys and awards thrown at them, but the final season the knives came out and they didn't like it! Boo Hoo! I mean the Twitter Mob are asshats but to let that keep you from making a movie, especially star wars?? as said.. thin skined..

I would hope that if I were in that scenario I'd be able to ignore it or let it slide off the back. With a few exceptions, Rian Johnson has done a pretty good job of that. However, while I do believe its not as massive of a hate mongering crowd for either TLJ or GoT, the complaints are loud. Sometimes its hard to drown that out.

As they say: Don't read the comments. ;)
 
From what I can tell the "backlash" to TLJ was a storm in a teacup. Most fans seem to be OK with it on balance, even if there are somethings that didn't do it for them. Maybe one out of five fans seems to like to have a massive hissy fit over it, though since such opinions tend to be from the same people that whinge about Mary Sues, women running film companies and pretty much anything not centred on straight white men doing straight white men things, I'm inclined to discard such objections.

Disney also don't seem to give a crap or else they wouldn't still be actively working with RJ.
So, Reported that they didn't like the "Toxic Fandom" of star wars.. Man these guys are thin skined.. they had like 10 years of Oh's and Ah's and emmys and awards thrown at them, but the final season the knives came out and they didn't like it! Boo Hoo! I mean the Twitter Mob are asshats but to let that keep you from making a movie, especially star wars?? as said.. thin skined..
And appears that they wanted to go back 1000's of years to the begining of the Jedi Order, while interesting, not really to much interested in an "Origin Story" Kind of filled up beyond the brim with those in superhero movies.. would be interesting if they don't make it, that they would release the whole premise.. but hey, might still get made..

Yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on that. Nobody walks away from that many zeroes because of some social media drama, much less *potential* social media drama.

There's really only three logical scenarios here: 1) they didn't think they could manage Star Wars AND their Netflix projects simultaneously and picked the one with the larger paycheck, 2) they thought they could, but LF were like "Yeah, no. We want your full attention or bye-bye!", or 3) LF took one look at what happened with GoT and were like "you know on second thought, how about no?"

The smart money is on option three.
 
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From what I can tell the "backlash" to TLJ was a storm in a teacup. Most fans seem to be OK with it on balance, even if there are somethings that didn't do it for them. Maybe one out of five fans seems to like to have a massive hissy fit over it, though since such opinions tend to be from the same people that whinge about Mary Sues, women running film companies and pretty much anything not centred on straight white men doing straight white men things, I'm inclined to discard such objections.

Disney also don't seem to give a crap or else they wouldn't still be actively working with RJ.


Yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on that. Nobody walks away from that many zeroes because of some social media drama, much less *potential* social media drama.

There's really only three logical scenarios here: 1) they didn't think they could manage Star Wars AND their Netflix projects simultaneously and picked the one with the larger paycheck, 2) they thought they could, but LF were like "Yeah, no. We want your full attention or bye-bye!", or 3) LF took one look at what happened with GoT and were like "you know on second thought, how about no?"

The smart money is on option three.
GoT was wildly successful; although the last season was "iffy" for viewers, it still made HBO money.
I'd be more inclined to believe #2.
 
Joanna Robinson is a very well-connected, well-respected, and credible journalist and media host, so there is no reason not to believe her reporting on this situation, but regardless of when or why this separation happened, SW will honestly be better for it.
 
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