R-rated "Galaxy Quest"?

[fireproof78]

Thankfully Discovery managed to avoid this and i don't expect Picard to have some obvious sexualized roles so there's hope the franchise has put this in the past and moved on.

Here's hoping.

But, I'm surprised more people didn't know about possible R cut.

 

[JD]

Wasn't there also a cruder, more disturbing R-rated cut of Beetlejuice at one point?

 

[FPAlpha]

Here's hoping.

But, I'm surprised more people didn't know about possible R cut.

Maybe because Galaxy Quest wouldn't benefit from an R rating as Star Trek itself never was R Rated. It makes sense for characters like Deadpool or Kevin Smith movies so people never assumed GQ could be raunchier.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe because Galaxy Quest wouldn't benefit from an R rating as Star Trek itself never was R Rated. It makes sense for characters like Deadpool or Kevin Smith movies so people never assumed GQ could be raunchier.

Maybe, but I guess I've watched more BTS materials than most because I recall discussions around different cuts.

 

[Marsden]

Wasn't there also a cruder, more disturbing R-rated cut of Beetlejuice at one point?

It wasn't a cut so much as the original script (before rewrites and Burton's involvement) was much different.

 

[JD]

Ah, I see. So Burton came in later then? I guess it has just become such an example of Burton's style, that I assumed it was his movie from the beginning.

 

[Timby]

Ah, I see. So Burton came in later then? I guess it has just become such an example of Burton's style, that I assumed it was his movie from the beginning.

When he was hired, he brought in Warren Skaaren to rewrite the script almost completely.

 

[Mudd]

At the time the film originally came out, she was said to have been intended as a spoof of Seven of Nine.

By who?

Weaver's character was the latest in a long line of sexually appealing and (presumed to be) fairly useless female characters throughout the history of science fiction in TV and the movies. Weaver doesn't particularly resemble Ryan's character.

 

[UssGlenn]

Yeah, she's clearly a most direct spoof of Uhura, who in pop culture only says one thing "Hailing frequencies open, Captain".

 

[Danja]

Weaver doesn't particularly resemble Ryan's character.

Weaver's character was intended as a PARODY -- an exaggeration. The thinking back then was that Seven's primary function on the show was T&A (clearly, anyone who thinks THAT has NOT seen Voyager ).

Gwen DeMarco (Sigourney Weaver): My TV Guide interview was six paragraphs about my BOOBS and how they fit into my suit.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/quotes/qt0424407

If this isn't shade at Seven of Nine and her catsuit(s), I don't know what is.

I think Seven is definitely having the last laugh (If she truly had daylight between her ears, would they be asking her to come to Star Trek: Picard eighteen years later? )

 

[JirinPanthosa]

This discussion kind of reveals the ridiculousness of the rating system.

A film like Deadpool with extreme gratuitous violence in every god damn scene gets the same rating as a film where people say the F word.

Ideally people would just write their idea and not worry about making it more or less risqué to conform to a rating.

 

[Redfern]

This discussion kind of reveals the ridiculousness of the rating system.

A film like Deadpool with extreme gratuitous violence in every god damn scene gets the same rating as a film where people say the F word.

Ideally people would just write their idea and not worry about making it more or less risqué to conform to a rating.

Wasn't that the case with "The King's Speech"? The film is the epitome of a British "sitting room drama" with no violence beyond the echo of bombs in the distance as King George VI is raced to the location where he finally makes his landmark proclamation. However, because his therapist, Lionel Logue, goads him into cursing to test the nature of his stammer, culminating in George using the F-bomb, this film was slapped with an "R" rating. Absurd.

 

[Romulan_spy]

This discussion kind of reveals the ridiculousness of the rating system.

A film like Deadpool with extreme gratuitous violence in every god damn scene gets the same rating as a film where people say the F word.

Ideally people would just write their idea and not worry about making it more or less risqué to conform to a rating.

I think a more descriptive rating system would be better. I would suggest something like this:
L - Language
EL - Excessive Language
N - Nudity
EN - Excessive nudity
V - Violence
EV - Excessive violence
S - Sex
ES - Excessive Sex

This way the audience would have a better idea of what's in the movie and more importantly, whether or not it is just a little bit or a lot. So a movie with one or two F bombs would get a L rating but a movie with dozens of F bombs would get a EL rating. Similar for the other ratings. If a movie just had one violent scene, it would get a L rating, but a movie like Deadpool would get an EV rating.

 

[fireproof78]

Wasn't that the case with "The King's Speech"? The film is the epitome of a British "sitting room drama" with no violence beyond the echo of bombs in the distance as King George VI is raced to the location where he finally makes his landmark proclamation. However, because his therapist, Lionel Logue, goads him into cursing to test the nature of his stammer, culminating in George using the F-bomb, this film was slapped with an "R" rating. Absurd.

That was exactly the case.

Great movie by the way, but it definitely showcases the limits of the rating system.

 

[FormerLurker]

I think a more descriptive rating system would be better. I would suggest something like this:
L - Language
EL - Excessive Language
N - Nudity
EN - Excessive nudity
V - Violence
EV - Excessive violence
S - Sex
ES - Excessive Sex

This way the audience would have a better idea of what's in the movie and more importantly, whether or not it is just a little bit or a lot. So a movie with one or two F bombs would get a L rating but a movie with dozens of F bombs would get a EL rating. Similar for the other ratings. If a movie just had one violent scene, it would get a L rating, but a movie like Deadpool would get an EV rating.

The problem with this is that the puritans in power equate nudity with sex, even when it's obviously not. They used to make films that had simple nudity presented as people, sometimes even chldren, just not wearing clothes. Nowadays such a film would get everyone involved arrested. I fear the pendulum swinging back the other way, as it's bound to go too far.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The problem with this is that the puritans in power equate nudity with sex, even when it's obviously not. They used to make films that had simple nudity presented as people, sometimes even chldren, just not wearing clothes. Nowadays such a film would get everyone involved arrested. I fear the pendulum swinging back the other way, as it's bound to go too far.

My rating system make a clear distinction between the two. N would just be nudity, ie just seeing a naked body. S would be for actual sex acts.

 

[David cgc]

That was exactly the case.

Great movie by the way, but it definitely showcases the limits of the rating system.

On the other hand, because of pejorative associations with different ratings, movies will intentionally go for something higher to seem more mature than where they'd naturally fit back when a rating was less of a status symbol. "G" rated movies are regarded as being for children (even by children!) these days; "PG" is the minimum for what a kid might want to see as soon as they have a concept of peer groups and maturity. Nowadays, a not-specifically-for-kids comedy like Galaxy Quest would probably have to be PG-13 in the studio's eyes, so teens wouldn't feel like they were too cool for it, which is exactly the sort of circumstance where that one single solitary "fuck!" would be added (and just as easily removed for TV and airplane viewing). Same with adult dramas like "The King's Speech" which, just to ensure that children won't go and be bored out of their minds, will often have some excessive swearing or unblocked casual nudity thrown in so they'll get the rating for a real, grown up, serious movie.

 

[Marsden]

It's true, there's as much marketing as anything else in ratings. How many times do certain larger studios dictate back to the raters what they want it to be rated? A truly independent criteria wouldn't be affected.

 

[FormerLurker]

My rating system make a clear distinction between the two. N would just be nudity, ie just seeing a naked body. S would be for actual sex acts.

I know that, and acknowledge it. I'm saying switching to such a system is unworkable, for the reasons I stated. Our cultural obsession with other people's sexuality won't allow simple nudity to be simple. It has to have a sexual element to it.

To reflect back toward the thread subject, Gwen DeMarco only exposes her bra, not her breasts, yet the scene is sexually explicit. Actual nudity in such a scene would be viewed as a half-step away from porn. And it's just a joke.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The Hollywood Reporter recently published a retrospective article looking back at Galaxy Quest for its 20th anniversary. Since I don't really want to start a new thread just for this, and this one is conveniently recent, I'll link to it here for anyone who may be interested.

DreamWorks "Screwed Up:" Why Cult Classic 'Galaxy Quest' Wasn't a Bigger Hit

They actually do talk about some of the things mentioned in this thread, so it's not even really off-topic!